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Sightseek 03-19-2007 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
I know that y'all are familiar with the late Bonnie Ledbetter.

God, she shows up here at DerbyTrail, reincarnated. In the flesh. Who'd a thought!!

I hope that you hire yourself out for the sales Roses, because folks like Michael Tabor and the Maktoums pay big money for that wealth of knowledge you have.

Don't worry, if one of them happens to breakdown she will have one of her 'friends' come on and post about her great eye like she, I mean they, did when Pine Island broke down.

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 01:22 PM

Carl Nafzger did a fine job of getting a full career of good races out of Banshee Breeze. I realize you weren't born yet when she raced but she was a very sore going horse.

A lot of expertise being blathered here with virtually no background to back it up. Newbies beware!

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-19-2007 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Don't you use binoculars? I find that it makes it easier to view them when you are...

No, I mean my eyesight is bad in general. Binoculars don't help.

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
No, I mean my eyesight is bad in general.


This has already been established.

Withers 03-19-2007 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Only two horses have a chance to win the Derby. The exacta will be Notional and Circular Quay. Haven't decided the order but they are sure to be 1-2. It's as much a lock as Smarty and Lion Heart were going in in 2004. The sleepers are Curlin, Rags to Riches, and Scat Daddy. No others matter.

The Tampa Derby was a nice race. But I predict that it was so hard on those two that one or both will be out of the Derby. I believe one will be knocked out before the Derby and the other will be done for the year before the summer is over. Neither of these two horses finishes the summer.

Hey KG, given how VERY right you've been before, I'll mark your words on CQ and Notional. With SJ, however, it was easy for even the idiots among us to see the talent from waaaaaay before the Rebel (although mind you, some TRUE idiots continued to insist he couldn't stay until he was in the gate at CD). With CQ, on the other hand, I've watched the LA Derby and I still couldn't get excited about him, 102 Beyer aside...

That said, I'll heed your opinion on these two...

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-19-2007 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Don't worry, if one of them happens to breakdown she will have one of her 'friends' come on and post about her great eye like she, I mean they, did when Pine Island broke down.

I didn't want my friend to bring that back up. He was asking if I knew about conformation, and wanted me to teach him a little bit about it as he will be investing in some race horses very shortly. So I showed him that post and we looked at some of her videos of her races. I had no idea that he was going to actually reply to the post. In fact, I was glad that no one said anything about it then...well, until now. I was very sorry that I was right on that one.

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 01:36 PM

Just when you thought it couldn't get any better.

Payson Dave 03-19-2007 01:47 PM

lololololol....:D This is quite the entertaining thread...:D

Grits 03-19-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Just when you thought it couldn't get any better.

Alright now, we gotta settle down here. I don't want to be party to hammering this young person's dreams.

Still, I have to keep in mind that this is part on the online experience, . . . in other words, I couldn't make this S**T up.

Entertainment and all, this it is.

ArlJim78 03-19-2007 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
Hey KG, given how VERY right you've been before, I'll mark your words on CQ and Notional. With SJ, however, it was easy for even the idiots among us to see the talent from waaaaaay before the Rebel (although mind you, some TRUE idiots continued to insist he couldn't stay until he was in the gate at CD). With CQ, on the other hand, I've watched the LA Derby and I still couldn't get excited about him, 102 Beyer aside...

That said, I'll heed your opinion on these two...

I'm not sure how long you've been reading this forum, but as a public service to you let me just say that KG has been wrong on occaison. I would suggest some restraint before locking in a large derby exacta future wager, if there even is such a thing.:)

Cajungator26 03-19-2007 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Alright now, we gotta settle down here. I don't want to be party to hammering this young person's dreams.

Still, I have to keep in mind that this is part on the online experience, . . . in other words, I couldn't make this S**T up.

Entertainment and all, this it is.

I'm not trying to bust her dreams... it's just that things are very different in the racing industry. I have a background in show jumpers, and while I know a few things in regards to that discipline, the same rules don't always apply to racing. A successful race horse doesn't have to win any conformation contests if he/she can run fast and get the job done, you know? I definitely look at conformation (sometimes to the dismay of others, lol), but I think I've finally learned my lesson that how a horse looks in the paddock and in the warm-up isn't always going to be a preview of how they're going to race.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-19-2007 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Carl Nafzger did a fine job of getting a full career of good races out of Banshee Breeze. I realize you weren't born yet when she raced but she was a very sore going horse.

A lot of expertise being blathered here with virtually no background to back it up. Newbies beware!

And just for the record, I'm not a groom, exercise rider, jockey, or anything like that. No, I'm not in the race horse business and I don't have any connections in the Thoroughbred business at all. I don't even go out and watch the races. I don't have any background in horses or in racing. So, the newer members should not listen to me and should listen to all of the other experts on this board. It is much better that way. You all will learn a lot more.

miraja2 03-19-2007 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
The exacta will be Notional and Circular Quay. Haven't decided the order but they are sure to be 1-2.

This makes so little sense that I don't really know why I am even responding to it but.....WTF? I have both of these horses in my top 5, but this kind of prediction makes absolutely no sense at all. I like CQ, but he will no doubt be running 20th down the backstretch so I wouldn't exactly call it a sure thing that he avoids all the traffic and gets in the exacta. What if these two draw posts 1 and 20. Might that have an effect?
What if Ravel or Great Hunter look extremely impressive in their next start? This is meaningless?
Etc. etc. etc.

Coach Pants 03-19-2007 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'm not trying to bust her dreams... it's just that things are very different in the racing industry. I have a background in show jumpers, and while I know a few things in regards to that discipline, the same rules don't always apply to racing. A successful race horse doesn't have to win any conformation contests if he/she can run fast and get the job done, you know? I definitely look at conformation (sometimes to the dismay of others, lol), but I think I've finally learned my lesson that how a horse looks in the paddock and in the warm-up isn't always going to be a preview of how they're going to race.

I'd send her a myspace friend request but i'm just too shy. Her friends are intimidating.

Cajungator26 03-19-2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I'd send her a myspace friend request but i'm just too shy. Her friends are intimidating.

Hey, I resemble that remark! I'm on there. :p :D

And you, shy? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SCUDSBROTHER 03-19-2007 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
What didn't you like about his action? He ran a very good race and literally got beaten by a head bob. He was also closer to the pace than Street Sense was. Just curious...


Twice now that he has lost the bob of the head.F'N Alydar I don't need.Lost twice now on him,and that will not happen again.

paisjpq 03-19-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Just when you thought it couldn't get any better.


Sightseek 03-19-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

:D Pillow just got topped!

ArlJim78 03-19-2007 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
I know that y'all are familiar with the late Bonnie Ledbetter.

God, she shows up here at DerbyTrail, reincarnated. In the flesh. Who'd a thought!!

I hope that you hire yourself out for the sales Roses, because folks like Michael Tabor and the Maktoums pay big money for that wealth of knowledge you have.

They pay much less now as they can just read DerbyTrail. I wouldn't be surprised if they're lurking as we speak soaking up these tidbits of information.

Coach Pants 03-19-2007 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
:D Pillow just got topped!


ArlJim78 03-19-2007 02:35 PM

pillow, please delete that last post.

That is the most disgusting image you've ever posted.

brianwspencer 03-19-2007 02:37 PM

This is rich.

Withers 03-19-2007 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I'm not sure how long you've been reading this forum, but as a public service to you let me just say that KG has been wrong on occaison. I would suggest some restraint before locking in a large derby exacta future wager, if there even is such a thing.:)

Now don't you fret: my few pennies go nowhere near the racetrack, so I won't be running off to the windows anytime soon, on KG's or anyone else's advice :) I've merely been lurking on this and previous fora long enough to remember KG being quite a soothsayer back in the day...and defending SJ adamantly back when LOADS of people were still saying that he wouldn't run worth a dime against non-Oaklawn competition or past a mile...Has he been wrong since? No doubt. Still, credit where credit is due, and I'm still waiting for him to correctly pick the next Derby winner again already by February (ok, so he's running a bit late if he's right) :D

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 03:42 PM

Smarty Jones was the favorite in that Derby....wasn't he?

Cajungator26 03-19-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Smarty Jones was the favorite in that Derby....wasn't he?

Morning line fave was The Cliff's Edge, but Smarty went in the gate as the favorite.

Withers 03-19-2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Smarty Jones was the favorite in that Derby....wasn't he?

Yeah, he was on the day, but Smarty definitely wasn't the favorite back in February when KG insisted to forum members that he would win the Derby...shucks, KG, I'm probably embarassing you, right?

Anyway, for anyone who remembers, it was certainly KG's moment of glory and thus my regard for his picks, even if they all can't be as good...

Grits 03-19-2007 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
Now don't you fret: my few pennies go nowhere near the racetrack,

If I fret, its because you don't support the sport, not because of what a poster stated years back.

Horseracing doesn't continue today on those that choose to watch, never putting any money through the windows.

Please tell me that you don't like SLOTS. If so, I'll be ok, I'll cope better. LOL

ArlJim78 03-19-2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
Yeah, he was on the day, but Smarty definitely wasn't the favorite back in February when KG insisted to forum members that he would win the Derby...shucks, KG, I'm probably embarassing you, right?

Anyway, for anyone who remembers, it was certainly KG's moment of glory and thus my regard for his picks, even if they all can't be as good...

this board wasn't around back then unfortunately and his record of selections has tailed off it would seem from that illustrious moment of glory.

He is more known around here for calling Invasor a fraud, that would not even hit the board in the Breeders Cup. When Invasor returned in the Donn he said that due to the layoff he would finish no better than third.:)

Oh yeah, he basically guaranteed that Bernardini would break Secretariats track record for 10 panels in the Breeders Cup.

After the Las Virgenes he came on to claim that he was not impressed by Rags To Riches and that she beat nothing. This is when everyone was going gaga over how she won despite being 5-6 wide on both turns. Then when she beats the same horses with a better trip he now says she should go to the Kentucky Derby. One of the quickest reevaluations in history.

I'm sure these are just the highlights, if you do some research you'll come up with many other juicy nuggets. I'm just hitting the high spots.

But I'll give him credit for the Smarty pick, I was not on his bandwagon early on, until the Derby win that is.

GPK 03-19-2007 04:08 PM

Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 1....In the beginning, Jessica created the heavens and the earth....

Coach Pants 03-19-2007 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 1....In the beginning, Jessica created the heavens and the earth....

Awww Jessica Damnit!

Withers 03-19-2007 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
this board wasn't around back then unfortunately and his record of selections has tailed off it would seem from that illustrious moment of glory.

He is more known around here for calling Invasor a fraud, that would not even hit the board in the Breeders Cup. When Invasor returned in the Donn he said that due to the layoff he would finish no better than third.:)

Oh yeah, he basically guaranteed that Bernardini would break Secretariats track record for 10 panels in the Breeders Cup.

After the Las Virgenes he came on to claim that he was not impressed by Rags To Riches and that she beat nothing. This is when everyone was going gaga over how she won despite being 5-6 wide on both turns. Then when she beats the same horses with a better trip he now says she should go to the Kentucky Derby. One of the quickest reevaluations in history.

I'm sure these are just the highlights, if you do some research you'll come up with many other juicy nuggets. I'm just hitting the high spots.

But I'll give him credit for the Smarty pick, I was not on his bandwagon early on, until the Derby win that is.

Well, maybe his picks have worsened since 2004 on the previous board... :) All I know is that in 2004, he was on the money early, early...and I wish I had supported the sport that year by betting big time...but since when doesn't watching horseracing also entail support of the sport? If there were more fans watching horseracing, believe me: the Smarty Jones of the world and their connections would be earning huge amounts of dosh on *endorsements* (not just at stud) and Yum! wouldn't be able to afford to sponsor the KD. (And I lie: I do bet -- modestly -- and lose plenty at the track. I mean that I don't wager through any offtrack facility). I personally believe the emphasis on betting (yes, it does support the sport currently) is contributing to its demise. People also bet on March Madness, but they are mad about the teams. Horseracing needs more people who are mad about the sport, period, and for whom the betting is a sideline.

Withers 03-19-2007 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
If I fret, its because you don't support the sport, not because of what a poster stated years back.

Horseracing doesn't continue today on those that choose to watch, never putting any money through the windows.

Please tell me that you don't like SLOTS. If so, I'll be ok, I'll cope better. LOL

I don't like slots at all.

Cajungator26 03-19-2007 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
I don't like slots at all.

Me either... every time I play them, I lose all of my money! :mad: :D

GPK 03-19-2007 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Me either... every time I play them, I lose all of my money! :mad: :D


I lose all my money on sluts too....

Grits 03-19-2007 05:47 PM

Miss, Ms, Sir, whatever salutation is valid, you may watch horseracing, but you know absolutely not one whit about what is required to keep this sport alive. NOT ONE. This is a sport that, unlike football, baseball, etc, will not survive through spectatorship and fans that only watch and talk.

It is an INTERACTIVE SPORT ONLY MADE POSSIBLE BY MONEY BEING CHURNED THROUGH THE SYSTEM OF PARI-MUTUEL WAGERING.

And after you come to understand this, to know that wagering is the entire lifesblood of this game, maybe you will rethink coming here to tell everyone what this sport needs is betting taken away from it as its contributing to its demise.

Your comments, those that I have made bold indicate you, truly, are clueless as to the infrastructure of this sport. And maybe new to it, as well. So, with that in mind, let's talk more, when you know how the game works.

Done on this one.


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Originally Posted by Withers
Well, maybe his picks have worsened since 2004 on the previous board... :) All I know is that in 2004, he was on the money early, early...and I wish I had supported the sport that year by betting big time...but since when doesn't watching horseracing also entail support of the sport? If there were more fans watching horseracing, believe me: the Smarty Jones of the world and their connections would be earning huge amounts of dosh on *endorsements* (not just at stud) and Yum! wouldn't be able to afford to sponsor the KD. (And I lie: I do bet -- modestly -- and lose plenty at the track. I mean that I don't wager through any offtrack facility). I personally believe the emphasis on betting (yes, it does support the sport currently) is contributing to its demise. People also bet on March Madness, but they are mad about the teams. Horseracing needs more people who are mad about the sport, period, and for whom the betting is a sideline.


blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers
I personally believe the emphasis on betting (yes, it does support the sport currently) is contributing to its demise.


Not to pile on, but this is about as confused and incorrect opinion as I've read, and considering some of the nonsense in this thread that's saying quite a lot.

What, pray tell, should the industry emphasize on THAT PROVIDES THE MONEY THAT SUPPORTS THE GAME?

Grits 03-19-2007 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well as usual I miss all of the fun because I am at work, but this turned into one of the better threads in a long time. I was going to pop in Dumb and Dumber because it was a long day and I needed a laugh. Luckily I read this thread and no need to do it now.

DaHoss, you don't need to, and forgive me please for being so blatant in this comment but Dumb and Dumber's been airing all afternoon, about 4 hours now.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well as usual I miss all of the fun because I am at work, but this turned into one of the better threads in a long time. I was going to pop in Dumb and Dumber because it was a long day and I needed a laugh. Luckily I read this thread and no need to do it now.

we should thank the person who started this thead


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