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SentToStud 01-29-2007 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
He played when the NBA had to play man to man (anything else was illegal), and on bad teams he was the ONly scorer. He never had to get matched up against Zones and double teams off the ball. And he never shot over 50% from the field. He was a circus to watch, but no way a great all around player like Robertson or Jordan, not even close.

Well, I put MAravich in my top 3 along with Jordan and Oscar, so there it is.

As far as xones and doubles, did you ever see Pete play in college? Guy averaged over 42 points a game EVERY year (with no 3-point line). It's not as if they didn't play any D against him in college.

He would have scored 35 a game in the NBA if he was playing now.

How good would Jordan or Oscar have been if they were playing without a left coronary artery?

Gander 01-29-2007 06:53 PM

I didnt know that guy who use to play for UCLA (always use to wear that headband) like 4 years ago plays in the NBA? I think he plays for the Knicks. Was always a very underrated college player.

SentToStud 01-29-2007 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by turdbucket67
who was better big O or mchale?????.... oscar averaged a triple double for an entire year!!!

imo, jordan.

pgardn 01-29-2007 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Larry Bird was the greatest I have ever seen. Guy could do anything and nobody ever to this day makes the passes he use to make every night. He could shoot 3's too, back when not many really could.

Had personality too. Lebron is a robot out there.

You missed seeing Michael Jordan.

Nothing compares
Notheeeeeng compares
too you...

Sinead O'Connor.

Larry would be in the top 5 though.

GPK 01-29-2007 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Nothing is quite that bad.

you wanna see me got confrontational????:D :D :D

Gander 01-29-2007 06:59 PM

I saw Mike Jordan play, he was good. But Bird was Bird. More of a team player. Jordan was all about Mikey.

SentToStud 01-29-2007 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
You are kidding. You look only at stats I guess. He has been an Allstar every year. Rookie of the year. 3 NBA championships... HOly Cow waddya want. If the Spurs did not have Duncan now or any year they would barely make the playoffs if at all.
Duncan has the best hands of any big man ever. Thats what allows him to have the most varied post moves of any player in NBA history. He is now in his downhill physical years. So he has to rely even more on saavy than he used to . ANd he was injured last year. He could have been the leading scorer in a number of years if he played on a team like Phoenix but he plays on a team that is more concerned about taking time off the clock on offense, and playing shut down defense.

Hilarious.

You say I'm only looking at stats, then you list off Duncan's Cirriculum Vitae Highlights?

Look, do you think Duncan would have had great games against McHale? I don't. He played well against Malone but certainly didn't dominate him. McHale shut down a lot of very good players and would have blocked 2-3 of those 12-foot bank shots Duncan needs to survive every game. And frankly McHale in the low post would have made Duncan look really slow at times.

Hey, I'm not saying Duncan sucks; just that I wouldn't put him in my top 3 at Power Forward.

pgardn 01-29-2007 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Well, I put MAravich in my top 3 along with Jordan and Oscar, so there it is.

As far as xones and doubles, did you ever see Pete play in college? Guy averaged over 42 points a game EVERY year (with no 3-point line). It's not as if they didn't play any D against him in college.

He would have scored 35 a game in the NBA if he was playing now.

How good would Jordan or Oscar have been if they were playing without a left coronary artery?

Maravich goes on the Harlem Globetrotter list... with Calvin Murphy. He did the same thing at LSU, shot the ball all the time. And I dont know how playing without a left coronary artery affected his shot. It may have affected stamina. But he played some big minutes so not too much. His injuries were not related to his heart.

pgardn 01-29-2007 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Hilarious.

You say I'm only looking at stats, then you list off Duncan's Cirriculum Vitae Highlights?

Look, do you think Duncan would have had great games against McHale? I don't. He played well against Malone but certainly didn't dominate him. McHale shut down a lot of very good players and would have blocked 2-3 of those 12-foot bank shots Duncan needs to survive every game. And frankly McHale in the low post would have made Duncan look really slow at times.

Hey, I'm not saying Duncan sucks; just that I wouldn't put him in my top 3 at Power Forward.

Duncan can score over anybody, anytime. He has too many moves. I will say McHale had quicker pivot moves, but not Close to the left hand Duncan has. Duncan scores in everyway, McHale would have had a terribly difficult time guarding him just like Kevin Garnett does because Duncan is much much stronger in the lower body. Duncan is underrated a lot like McHale because of no flash, no hops. And yes, no Larry. McHale was helped by Larry, but I still think he was very very good.

SentToStud 01-29-2007 07:11 PM

My 1970's-80's All Funk Team
 
My all-funk team from the 70's-80's, chosen mostly for hair size and nicknames:

Center: Artis "A Train" Gilmore
Forward: George "Instant Heat" Trapp
Forward: Julius "Doctor J" Erving
Guard: Walt "Clyde" Frazier
Guard: Connie Hawkins

GPK 01-29-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
My all-funk team from the 70's-80's, chosen mostly for hair size and nicknames:

Center: Artis "A Train" Gilmore
Forward: George "Instant Heat" Trapp
Forward: Julius "Doctor J" Erving
Guard: Walt "Clyde" Frazier
Guard: Connie Hawkins



any all funk team that doesn't include Wolrd B. Free is an incomplete list....:cool:

SentToStud 01-29-2007 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Duncan can score over anybody, anytime. He has too many moves. I will say McHale had quicker pivot moves, but not Close to the left hand Duncan has. Duncan scores in everyway, McHale would have had a terribly difficult time guarding him just like Kevin Garnett does because Duncan is much much stronger in the lower body. Duncan is underrated a lot like McHale because of no flash, no hops. And yes, no Larry. McHale was helped by Larry, but I still think he was very very good.

Well, for all the hops, Garnett is not the greatest defensive forward there ever was. I suppose I'd be more admiring about Duncan if he played against the Eastern Conference instead of the Power-Forwardless West.

pgardn 01-29-2007 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
My all-funk team from the 70's-80's, chosen mostly for hair size and nicknames:

Center: Artis "A Train" Gilmore
Forward: George "Instant Heat" Trapp
Forward: Julius "Doctor J" Erving
Guard: Walt "Clyde" Frazier
Guard: Connie Hawkins

I will give you huge funk. DARNELL HILLMAN ABA... AKA DR. DUNK

check the fro.. Be sure to scroll down to catch the entirety of the funkiness

http://www.remembertheaba.com/Tribut...l/Hillman.html

Honest to God the guy could jump out of the gym. Huge hands, and huge unsophisticated dunks... just from a straight stand underneath the bucket.

pgardn 01-29-2007 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Well, for all the hops, Garnett is not the greatest defensive forward there ever was. I suppose I'd be more admiring about Duncan if he played against the Eastern Conference instead of the Power-Forwardless West.

Duncan trashed Ben Wallace. So they put sheed on him and brought Wallace over. Duncan can score over any center forward in the league because of the array of shots. He has the smoothest postmoves... I hate the name the big fundamental. But for a guy who started BBall late, its pretty incredible how good his footwork is.

SentToStud 01-29-2007 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Duncan trashed Ben Wallace. So they put sheed on him and brought Wallace over. Duncan can score over any center forward in the league because of the array of shots. He has the smoothest postmoves... I hate the name the big fundamental. But for a guy who started BBall late, its pretty incredible how good his footwork is.

.

I'll conclude... Duncan has always been slow and I just don't care for his game as much as others may. Plus, he always looks as if he's about to cry.

In the end, I'd rate him below Elvin Hayes but ertainly above Kurt Rambis.

alysheba4 01-29-2007 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I will end if you can give me a player with better hands and a better post scorer than Duncan. You are watching an all time great in Tim, Tim. I think, I thought, you did not like NBA basketball so how can you rate if you dont watch the games? And the guy has the same first name as you and is nothing but a gentleman. Although he gripes way too much now.

David Robinson was a much better athlete than Tim Duncan, but not even close as a basketball player. I think Robinson is overrated. He was the best athlete to ever play center imo, but a very ordinary basketball player. There, hows that for Spur bias.

....... tim makes my 2nd team as power foward........ he plays the game the way it should be played..... my 1st team goes
1. wilt chamberlain ( the most dominant athlete of all time )
2. larry bird
3.michael jordan
4. jerry west
5. ervin johnson

2nd team
1. lew alcindor
2. tim duncan
3. elgin baylor
4. kobe bryant
5. oscar robertson

Seattleallstar 01-29-2007 10:54 PM

Tim Duncan is overrated, keep in mind Andres Nocioni made him his bitch along with Kevin Garnett.

Wheres Hakeem O, Billy Cunningham, a whole host of others.



Most overrated NBA player imo has to be Robert Parish

King Glorious 01-30-2007 12:53 PM

When discussing Kevin McHale, it's important to note that most of his prime years came when he was playing with Larry Bird. It's important because McHale was never the focal point of the offense. If he had been, I have little doubt that he would have gone on to erase a lot of the doubts people have about him. He was one of the best inside men I've ever seen. Footwork was second to none, save for maybe Hakeem Olajuwon. He didn't commit to rebounding as much as I would have liked but defensively, he was far above average. I don't know exactly where I would rank him against Karl Malone and Charles Barkley but for my money, those are the three best ever. And I'd take all three over Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett in a heartbeat. That's not to say that Duncan and Garnett aren't all-time great players because they are. But not with those other three in my opinion. My selections for an all-time 12 man roster:

1st team
c-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
f-Hakeem Olajuwon
f-Larry Bird
g-John Stockton
g-Michael Jordan

2nd team
c-Wilt Chamberlain
f-Bill Russell
f-Charles Barkley
g-Magic Johnson
g-Pete Maravich

last two
Oscar Robertson
Dennis Rodman


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