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eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Are we racing robotic horses now? Geez that sucks that someone isn't willing to ruin a horse for the whole year for the Derby. :rolleyes:

What do plans and direction have with racing robotic horses. The horse isnt injured to my knowledge. But Zito has no plans for the horse. If he does, please share with us if you know.

lemoncrush 01-16-2007 12:32 PM

Love Steve Haskin's columns about derby contenders.
But I see he made a glaring ommision.
Where's the Green Monkey!!!?
:p :p

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
Love Steve Haskin's columns about derby contenders.
But I see he made a glaring ommision.
Where's the Green Monkey!!!?
:p :p

Good question. IF TGM comes out of retirement and wins then he is at the top of everyone'e list.

blackthroatedwind 01-16-2007 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I didnt put words in your mouth at all. But I can only assume you know as much as I do since that is what you are showing me.


Once again, troll, who do you think you are fooling with this act? You did not just say I didn't know ( which I don't and never even implied I did ) but you insinuated much more with the following.....


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Originally Posted by eurobounce
So you dont know. Basically, you know just as much as I do. Zito has no path for this horse, no plans, no direction at all. Why, I don't know. But it seems this horse is wasting away in Zito's barn.


You said I don't know....true, you said you don't know.....true, but then you said Nick Zito didn't know........unsubstantiatable and highly unlikely.

You are a troll who posts to cause trouble. You fool nobody and only amuse a few. If you are going to troll at least do a better job.

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Once again, troll, who do you think you are fooling with this act? You did not just say I didn't know ( which I don't and never even implied I did ) but you insinuated much more with the following.....





You said I don't know....true, you said you don't know.....true, but then you said Nick Zito didn't know........unsubstantiatable and highly unlikely.

You are a troll who posts to cause trouble. You fool nobody and only amuse a few. If you are going to troll at least do a better job.

sorrry...SO YOU DONT KNOW should have been a question. I never said Zito doesnt know. I said he doesnt have any direction for this horse. I havent heard of plans so therefore I can only conclude he doesnt have any.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-16-2007 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
So you dont know. Basically, you know just as much as I do. Zito has no path for this horse, no plans, no direction at all. Why, I don't know. But it seems this horse is wasting away in Zito's barn.

he got 5 in there one year......i think that says it all...:D

smartyalex 01-16-2007 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
Street Sense might be looking nice for the Derby. He is gonna run the Bluegrass and if he runs as good as he did at the BC on the Churchill track. I will be one of the few who thinks he might have a good chance to win. In other words --- A horse for the course!!!

Also why is Tiz Wonderful running the Arkansas track of the warmup?? Just want some easy wins like Lawyer Ron?? He is a good looking horse who needs the competition to run against

Yea, it's the easy competition in the Arkansas Derby! You're ridiculous!!!

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
he got 5 in there one year......i think that says it all...:D

I guess one year is good to have 5. But I dont believe any of those 5 won.

Linny 01-16-2007 12:43 PM

Eurobounce, you must think pretty highly of yourself. Just because YOU don't know what Nick's plans are then clearly he has no plans. Does Nick consult with you on schedules/plans/possible starts and training for all his stock or just this colt?

I don't even know what horse you are talking about but if he's a MSW winner of ($16k) my guess is that he's looking for an allowance (as he did with Bellamy Rd, Sun King, Noble Causeway etc) before trying stakes. As such he may not have mapped out which stakes the horse belongs in.

blackthroatedwind 01-16-2007 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
sorrry...SO YOU DONT KNOW should have been a question. I never said Zito doesnt know. I said he doesnt have any direction for this horse. I havent heard of plans so therefore I can only conclude he doesnt have any.


You are lying and here's the proof.........



Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce
So you dont know. Basically, you know just as much as I do. Zito has no path for this horse, no plans, no direction at all. Why, I don't know. But it seems this horse is wasting away in Zito's barn.


Sightseek 01-16-2007 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
What do plans and direction have with racing robotic horses. The horse isnt injured to my knowledge. But Zito has no plans for the horse. If he does, please share with us if you know.

Because you haven't read anything in the Blood-Horse, TT's or elsewhere you just assume that Zito has none for this horse? :confused:

SniperSB23 01-16-2007 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
sorrry...SO YOU DONT KNOW should have been a question. I never said Zito doesnt know. I said he doesnt have any direction for this horse. I havent heard of plans so therefore I can only conclude he doesnt have any.

So if Zito doesn't personally make you aware of the plans for one of his horses then that means he doesn't have any? That's some interesting logic.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-16-2007 12:44 PM

just getting them there is the question you were saying no...if thats the case he has pleanty of exp mapping out the graded moneys...no wait he should ask you..i forgot...my bad..:D

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:47 PM

You know Zito is having a good year. 31st in trainer standings. 19-4-3-5. His horses are finishing in the money. But he is running in some cheap races to avg $6,057 per start.

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You are lying and here's the proof.........

What exactly am I lying about? I said SO YOU DONT KNOW should be a question and not a statement. So I am lost as to what I am lying about.

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Eurobounce, you must think pretty highly of yourself. Just because YOU don't know what Nick's plans are then clearly he has no plans. Does Nick consult with you on schedules/plans/possible starts and training for all his stock or just this colt?

I don't even know what horse you are talking about but if he's a MSW winner of ($16k) my guess is that he's looking for an allowance (as he did with Bellamy Rd, Sun King, Noble Causeway etc) before trying stakes. As such he may not have mapped out which stakes the horse belongs in.

Well most trainers have come out and announced some sort of plan with their derby contendars. So far, no word for Zito on King Alliance.

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Because you haven't read anything in the Blood-Horse, TT's or elsewhere you just assume that Zito has none for this horse? :confused:

What else is there to assume? Should I assume there is a path just because it is Zito?

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
just getting them there is the question you were saying no...if thats the case he has pleanty of exp mapping out the graded moneys...no wait he should ask you..i forgot...my bad..:D

He does have experience and at one time he was one of the best. But you can't always live in the 1990's.

slotdirt 01-16-2007 12:54 PM

Since it's surely been since the '90's since Nick Zito had any success.

eurobounce 01-16-2007 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Since it's surely been since the '90's since Nick Zito had any success.

His success has been been fading the past couple of years and it will continue to decline. That was my prediction a couple of months ago and so far $6,000 per start is backing me up.


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