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Exceller 06-14-2006 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Dont forget the 10 dollar cokes and hot dogs on derby and oaks day, as well as the admission on those days.
The KY Derby is in the category with the Superbowl, World Series, NBA Championship. People pay for the best of the best. The Travers is like AA baseball. The only big race NYRA has all year depends on if the KY Derby winner shows up going for a triple crown. Lets see, 150,000 people in KY or 60,000 people in NY (where the population is 8 million). NYRA is a crooked non-profit. I bet you are a Republican who goes around saying how business should run everything, except when there is an opportunity for corrupt non-profits.

Exceller 06-14-2006 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Shame you are watching cheap claimers and nothings the other days huh? What a bummer, LOL!!!
I am watching whatever I want because I own a dish.

eurobounce 06-14-2006 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Well funny you should mention that. You can see the travers in the clubhouse for 5 bucks. Derby will run you are least 200 to get upstaairs and Im being generous. LOL!!! Whos scamming who here? Are you blind?
You cant compare the Travers to the Derby--lol. That is ridiculous. Travers they get about 40 thousand people there. Derby day they have 150 thousand.

eurobounce 06-14-2006 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Churchill does have a lower takout than NYRA ( I was discussing Magna, which apparantly you realize you can't defend as you have gone off on a tangent which I never claimed ) though the numbers you refer to are for three horse or three horse multi-race bets ( and beyond ).

Churchill is in Kentucky, which in case you are unaware, is a racetrack friendly State. Also, Churchill Downs is only open for three months a year for racing and thus do not have to support purses for twelve months as NYRA does.
Fair statement. But the tracks in Kentucky have a lowes payout on 3 and 4 horse bets. I dont know much Gulfstream as I dont wager that track. I am not a big Frank fan. I honestly think Churchill gets the contract.

Exceller 06-14-2006 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
You cant compare the Travers to the Derby--lol. That is ridiculous. Travers they get about 40 thousand people there. Derby day they have 150 thousand.
Look at the tv ratings too. Millions watch the derby, a couple hundred thousand the Travers.

eurobounce 06-14-2006 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Dont forget the 10 dollar cokes and hot dogs on derby and oaks day, as well as the admission on those days.
The concessions at churchill are contracted out by a thrid party vendor. Churchill has nothing to do with that. But again, it is Derby.

sumitas 06-14-2006 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Yeah I know, its been really tiresome watching NYRA the "evil empire" charging people 2 and 3 dollars to get into saratoga Race Course while their counterparts charge 150 to get into the DERby or 40 dolars to sit in a carrel with no view of the track at Gulf. What awful guys they are huh?
Oh and evil NYRA instituted a detention barn to attempt to stop raceday cheating, while none of their counterparst have followed suit.
NYRA has consistently provided the highest quality of year round racing of anyone on the planet. This while doing it under a not for profit status and not gouging fans when they walk in the door.
No horseman or betors have been cheated out of money they deserve even one time. Gee what a horrible group huh?
Let's keep the money in NYS. I favor the NYRA with a better business model.

blackthroatedwind 06-14-2006 11:03 AM
It is far from clear that Churchill is an interested party.

Understand, unless the statute is changed to a " for-profit " entity there will be no bidders.

Exceller 06-14-2006 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sumitas
Let's keep the money in NYS. I favor the NYRA with a better business model.
What money? NYRA loses money and pays zero taxes.

sumitas 06-14-2006 11:05 AM
We don't want NYS racing money siphoned off to Churchill or Stronach or any other outsider.

eurobounce 06-14-2006 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It is far from clear that Churchill is an interested party.

Understand, unless the statute is changed to a " for-profit " entity there will be no bidders.
The statute is nothing. That can be changed easily and will be changed. And I know for a fact that CDSI is interested. In fact, I know exactly when they are going to bid.

Now, keep a close eye on Delaware North Group. They are sneaky and have a shot at winning the bid.

Exceller 06-14-2006 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sumitas
We don't want NYS racing money siphoned off to Churchill or Stronach or any other outsider.
What NYS racing money? Is there any?

sumitas 06-14-2006 11:07 AM
NY racing wants to keep NY racing money in NY for NY racing.

Exceller 06-14-2006 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
The statute is nothing. That can be changed easily and will be changed. And I know for a fact that CDSI is interested. In fact, I know exactly when they are going to bid.

Now, keep a close eye on Delaware North Group. They are sneaky and have a shot at winning the bid.
Exactly. Money will always trump some ridiculous statute. Someone is going to win a bidding war. Way too much money involved with slots for the state to not take the quick payment rather than wait years for the money.

sumitas 06-14-2006 11:10 AM
NY does not want to subsidize Churchill, Delaware, Stronach or anybody else. Let's keep the money in NY for the good of our horse industry. And no outsider will take over NY racing.

eurobounce 06-14-2006 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sumitas
NY racing wants to keep NY racing money in NY for NY racing.
What makes you think it wont stay in NY?

sumitas 06-14-2006 11:13 AM
Everybody knows that. That's why an outside group cannot take over NY racing. They are wasting their time. The bid goes to a NY group under the watchful eyes of the NY government.

blackthroatedwind 06-14-2006 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
The statute is nothing. That can be changed easily and will be changed. And I know for a fact that CDSI is interested. In fact, I know exactly when they are going to bid.

Yeah right...on all counts.

Elvis has left the building.

Exceller 06-14-2006 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sumitas
Everybody knows that. That's why an outside group cannot take over NY racing. They are wasting their time. The bid goes to a NY group under the watchful eyes of the NY government.
The bid is going to the group that puts up the most cash. It is that simple.

eurobounce 06-14-2006 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sumitas
Everybody knows that. That's why an outside group cannot take over NY racing. They are wasting their time. The bid goes to a NY group under the watchful eyes of the NY government.
That archaic way of thinking is what got the NYRA is such a financial problem. I would be SHOCKED if a New York Company won the bid. CDSI runs racetracks--that it what they do and they are good at it. They prob are the top 2 frontrunners right now. CDSI has been planning this for years.


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