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Danzig 07-09-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 874283)
to me the problem in as far as ness and dutrow and involved. the sport has no reciprocal Jurisdiction in these matters.get caught..no biggie ill appeal..and still run, still win. owners dont care hes winning. why should the reporters ie drf ect keep raising the question and over and over again nothing is done.until we have a commissioner in racing that has absolute power in regards to drug positives that carrys over in all tracks in the us we will never have a level playing field.yes we can achieve this.a standardized testing procedure would have to be set up.imo starting a racehorse should be privilege not a right. especialy when people are gambling on them..

my 2c

states generally reciprocate tho. if you're suspended in one, typically other states consider you suspended as well.
the one thing i don't care for is the endless appeals process. then there are court stays, etc. or those who defend a trainer when he gets caught, again. 'but he's a nice guy' they say. yeah, not all bad guys have bad attitudes. roger goodell isn't well-liked in my house right now (hubby is po'd at him, tony's a saints fan) but just think if we had a commish? especially one with some cajones. just think...no, patrick biancone, you're not welcome here any more. assman-yeah, you're done...etc, etc.
have some rules with real teeth, real sentences, fines, suspensions (not vacations)....run the cheaters out. owners can still own, and you might draw more of them in because they'd feel they had a level playing field. and they'd have to hire a clean trainer! who loses in that situation? just the cheaters.
ah, one can dream....

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-09-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 874286)
states generally reciprocate tho. if you're suspended in one, typically other states consider you suspended as well.
the one thing i don't care for is the endless appeals process. then there are court stays, etc. or those who defend a trainer when he gets caught, again. 'but he's a nice guy' they say. yeah, not all bad guys have bad attitudes. roger goodell isn't well-liked in my house right now (hubby is po'd at him, tony's a saints fan) but just think if we had a commish? especially one with some cajones. just think...no, patrick biancone, you're not welcome here any more. assman-yeah, you're done...etc, etc.
have some rules with real teeth, real sentences, fines, suspensions (not vacations)....run the cheaters out. owners can still own, and you might draw more of them in because they'd feel they had a level playing field. and they'd have to hire a clean trainer! who loses in that situation? just the cheaters.
ah, one can dream....

sorry about the saints fan..lol.. who dat?..kind of put me off them..go bears and fla state.both of who may have a good year this year.."yeah right". you cheat your gone thats what will bring new bettors to the game imo.ive got no problem with appeals but in my world you can appeal all you want but your stable will not start another horse till its done. from the time you get busted till the time its resolved you dont get to make money. you cant transfer your horses to an assistant. none of it.

Calzone Lord 07-11-2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 874235)
In New York, they tried to go very hard after Rick Dutrow Jr. They found a way to snipe Juan Carlos Guerrero at Parx. They ran Gill out of town.

Those three are realtive choir boys compared to someone like a Scooter Davis who has stayed at minor leauge slots tracks despite a lundry list of major violations, major move-ups, and repeated 29th chances to stay out of trouble.

Write a letter to the stewards and other racing officals...or just give in and use those guys as trainers.

Speaking of the Devil, Scooter Davis just won with a horse at 46-to-1 odds first time in his barn...

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20120711&RN=4


He got him from Marc Shuman.

GPK 07-11-2012 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 874510)
Speaking of the Devil, Scooter Davis just won with a horse at 46-to-1 odds first time in his barn...

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20120711&RN=4


He got him from Marc Shuman.

Can you post this horses PP's prior to tonight?

Calzone Lord 07-11-2012 07:20 PM

I will when I come back tonight.

Rest assured, it wasn't as big a move-up as this one ...




Nor when he claimed Deadly Dealer for 5K in a race where DD got smoked and ran like a 12 Beyer and transformed him to the DD of Pletcher days.

ADJMK 07-11-2012 07:24 PM

How come you never see a Ness horse on the NYRA tracks? Is he banned from them ?

geojr130 07-11-2012 09:19 PM

Ask A.J. Allmendinger
:rolleyes:

MISTERGEE 07-12-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 874510)
Speaking of the Devil, Scooter Davis just won with a horse at 46-to-1 odds first time in his barn...

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20120711&RN=4


He got him from Marc Shuman.

I very stupidly looked at that horses record and didnt think it could win. Scooter is an automatic for me at places like CT but will rarely ever be over 2 to 1. I guess they dont know Scooter at PID, yet


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