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Bigsmc 11-06-2011 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 815681)
Rapid Redux.
You beat me to it.

Personally, I could care less who wins any award (in any sport). I care about who wins on the track (or playing field), not who wins a popularity contest. I couldn't tell you who won HOY two years ago, but I can tell you I love Lite Em Up Lily in the first race at Churchill today.

herkhorse 11-06-2011 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 815691)
You beat me to it.

Personally, I could care less who wins any award (in any sport). I care about who wins on the track (or playing field), not who wins a popularity contest. I couldn't tell you who won HOY two years ago, but I can tell you I love Lite Em Up Lily in the first race at Churchill today.
:tro:

Thunder Gulch 11-06-2011 07:35 AM
HDG

3kings 11-06-2011 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 815688)
I have no idea what the criteria is as far as needing to run classic distance. I would say Caleb's Posse.
I agree with this. 10-5-1-1. Two G1's, a G2 and a G3, wins from 6F to 1 1/16. In a year where no one stood out, his resume looks better than the rest.

RockHardTen1985 11-06-2011 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 815666)
Why is it a joke? Did you hit your head and forget racing prior to 2000? Drossel-slob who had accomplished so much he was being retired to stud after this year in NY just won the Classic in a scintillating 204 and change. He should be a top sire of future BC marathon horses for years to come.

Who is the HoY? A filly that just failed to hit the board in the worst Classic ever? A grade 3 horse like Game on Dude who was 10-1 ML in the Classic and lost? Tizway? These arent good horses. Sure they all won some grade 1's but someone has to win them.

Who is champion turf horse? Who is Champion turf filly? Our champion 2 yo is going to be a horse whose credentials are a win in a stake at Turfway over zero's and a win in a race where he was clearly 2nd best. At least the Sprinter is going to a horse that actually won more than 2 or 3 races. Yeah the 3 yo filly division was solid but what about the 3 yo colts?

Close races between weak horses doesnt mean that they arent weak horses. Just evenly matched.
Amazombie is a cool dude. The story ESPN told about him was a good one.

freddymo 11-06-2011 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 815666)
Why is it a joke? Did you hit your head and forget racing prior to 2000? Drossel-slob who had accomplished so much he was being retired to stud after this year in NY just won the Classic in a scintillating 204 and change. He should be a top sire of future BC marathon horses for years to come.

Who is the HoY? A filly that just failed to hit the board in the worst Classic ever? A grade 3 horse like Game on Dude who was 10-1 ML in the Classic and lost? Tizway? These arent good horses. Sure they all won some grade 1's but someone has to win them.

Who is champion turf horse? Who is Champion turf filly? Our champion 2 yo is going to be a horse whose credentials are a win in a stake at Turfway over zero's and a win in a race where he was clearly 2nd best. At least the Sprinter is going to a horse that actually won more than 2 or 3 races. Yeah the 3 yo filly division was solid but what about the 3 yo colts?

Close races between weak horses doesnt mean that they arent weak horses. Just evenly matched.
The best horse in his division was Union Rags, he raced huge. I know he has had 6000 foals but Kitten's Joy really has become a nice producer.

horseofcourse 11-06-2011 09:54 AM
Well the BC Classic winner has not been good enough to win it the last two years, so I'll toss Drosselmeyer based on that!!

:):)

Seattleallstar 11-06-2011 10:21 AM
If Uncle No opted to go in the Mile where he had more of a shot to win, then he could be in the running for it

Port Conway Lane 11-06-2011 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 815755)
If Uncle No opted to go in the Mile where he had more of a shot to win, then he could be in the running for it
If you believe that then Caleb's Posse should be a lock.

Cannon Shell 11-06-2011 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 815676)
It also doesn't mean the entire year was a joke. I choose to look for the positive in all situations.
The entire game is gotten to be a joke. You may choose to be in denial which would align you with many of the decision makers in this business, however the manner in which horses are dispersed and campaigned leads to situations like this year where there are virtually no true "championship" horses, just underraced, mediocre frauds. The day to day racing in virtually all jurisdictions is garbage which is the dirty little secret behind 22 months in a row of handle decline and now our top class horses have been "managed" into oblivion.

Cannon Shell 11-06-2011 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 815725)
The best horse in his division was Union Rags, he raced huge. I know he has had 6000 foals but Kitten's Joy really has become a nice producer.
KJ is a very good turf sire. I will say this for Ramsey he isnt afraid to back his opinions with money (breeding 100 of his own mares a year to KJ before anyone knew if he would be a good sire) unlike the hedge queens that dominate most of Lexington.

Cannon Shell 11-06-2011 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 815755)
If Uncle No opted to go in the Mile where he had more of a shot to win, then he could be in the running for it
Based on a win in a made up stake and the Kelso?

horseofcourse 11-06-2011 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 815759)
The entire game is gotten to be a joke. You may choose to be in denial which would align you with many of the decision makers in this business, however the manner in which horses are dispersed and campaigned leads to situations like this year where there are virtually no true "championship" horses, just underraced, mediocre frauds. The day to day racing in virtually all jurisdictions is garbage which is the dirty little secret behind 22 months in a row of handle decline and now our top class horses have been "managed" into oblivion.
You make many good points. Can it be fixed at all?? On a side note I thought it was nice a horse like Musical Romance won a BC race in her 14th start of the year. That's something you cant' say much anymore in the same sentence...BC win, 14 start.

Danzig 11-06-2011 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 815759)
The entire game is gotten to be a joke. You may choose to be in denial which would align you with many of the decision makers in this business, however the manner in which horses are dispersed and campaigned leads to situations like this year where there are virtually no true "championship" horses, just underraced, mediocre frauds. The day to day racing in virtually all jurisdictions is garbage which is the dirty little secret behind 22 months in a row of handle decline and now our top class horses have been "managed" into oblivion.
:tro::tro:

jms62 11-06-2011 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 815759)
The entire game is gotten to be a joke. You may choose to be in denial which would align you with many of the decision makers in this business, however the manner in which horses are dispersed and campaigned leads to situations like this year where there are virtually no true "championship" horses, just underraced, mediocre frauds. The day to day racing in virtually all jurisdictions is garbage which is the dirty little secret behind 22 months in a row of handle decline and now our top class horses have been "managed" into oblivion.
And the industry will hide behind it's the economy... Put me in the minority that says 50 Cent P4's, Tri's are pushing the whales out of the game. I have no evidence of course to substantiate this but the average Joe will spend the same amount on a P4 at 1.00 or .50 but has substansially more coverage at .50 cents thus diluting payouts.

NTamm1215 11-06-2011 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 815779)
And the industry will hide behind it's the economy... Put me in the minority that says 50 Cent P4's, Tri's are pushing the whales out of the game. I have no evidence of course to substantiate this but the average Joe will spend the same amount on a P4 at 1.00 or .50 but has substansially more coverage at .50 cents thus diluting payouts.
The fact that the increments shrunk with the takeout increasing (in some jurisdictions) is probably more of a reason.

Seattleallstar 11-06-2011 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 815764)
Based on a win in a made up stake and the Kelso?
I think that Repole would of went on an all out campaign for HOY. I mean HOY doesnt mean best horse of the year, just look at what happened to Blame last year

King Glorious 11-06-2011 01:23 PM
I remember a movie some years ago, I think it was "Brewster's Millions" and Richard Pryor was trying to convince people that none of the guys running for president were good enough so he started a campaign telling people to chose "none of the above". I think that would fit horse racing this year. If pressed, I think I'd lean towards Havre de Grace but I find myself increasingly considering Game on Dude.

10 pnt move up 11-06-2011 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 815759)
The entire game is gotten to be a joke. You may choose to be in denial which would align you with many of the decision makers in this business, however the manner in which horses are dispersed and campaigned leads to situations like this year where there are virtually no true "championship" horses, just underraced, mediocre frauds. The day to day racing in virtually all jurisdictions is garbage which is the dirty little secret behind 22 months in a row of handle decline and now our top class horses have been "managed" into oblivion.
I think the BC itself has rendered it less than a championship day by spreading out all these races which has only served to weaken them to the point that winning it hardly merits it other than winning another race during the calender year.

I think the sprint yesterday is a good example, the horses who used to make the sprint more compelling are now dispersed into the dirt mile or turf sprint and you are left with nine decent runners rather than at least 12 with interesting puzzles to solve and a good winner.

Seattleallstar 11-06-2011 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 815810)
I remember a movie some years ago, I think it was "Brewster's Millions" and Richard Pryor was trying to convince people that none of the guys running for president were good enough so he started a campaign telling people to chose "none of the above". I think that would fit horse racing this year. If pressed, I think I'd lean towards Havre de Grace but I find myself increasingly considering Game on Dude.
as I recall he had 30 days to spend $30 million dollars. and it was for mayor of New York


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