sorry, i've never bought into it being a disease. you can't decide to put down the cancer bottle, or the ms bottle. i think they started calling it a disease so that insurance companies would start covering the treatment, but i'm sure that's just the cynic in me. as for it being an addiction, so hard to overcome...i smoked for 15 years, which was half my life when i quit cold turkey. so, even tho many say it's such a hard nut to crack, i didn't find it to be so at all. you just have to make up your mind. tyler needs to get to that point-the sooner the better.
and funny, those times i have come to your defense on here in the past, i bet you didn't think i was ignorant and insensitive. appreciate that.

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Perhaps not. That's what's wrong with your theory.

alcoholics can't rise above it? really? i worked with a guy who realized he had a problem and quit drinking years ago. i think he rose above it quite nicely.

Coming to my defense over internet drivel and not knowing what the entire worldwide medical community now agree upon is two very different things.

"You just have to make up your mind" Good chance those are the 8 most assinine words ever posted on any message board about any subject.

Unbelieveable!

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There are plenty of people that can't stop drinking. It does seem like a simple concept - just stop drinking. It doesn't work that way.

Some of us have been turned upside down by somone who just could not stop drinking.

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I have been. 3 times. Dad, Brother, Best Friend. All gone now.

Glad you chimed in here Trackrat.

which is why i said what i did regarding his family members. it's got to be heart wrenching to have to sit and watch someone destroy himself. those are the people who have my deepest sympathies. they are the real victims. the parents, friends and family members-you see it occurring, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

i'm pretty sure that i've heard people say many times that there are people who have to hit rock bottom before they realize that's where they'd been headed all along, and then decide to do something about it. that's what i meant by 'you have to make up your mind'. sadly, not everyone hits rock bottom and is able to pull themselves back up. some shoot right thru the bottom.
forgive my being so asinine; make no mistake, i do hope tyler is able to pull himself out of his mess. it always boggles my mind when people waste their life.

tyler's in a bad spot, and i do hope he gets out of it.

My brother died in 2005 from drinking, he couldnt stop, not mentally or physically. My birth father is also an alcoholic as well as another brother who if it wasnt that he was incarcirated for 12 years would most likely be dead as well. For some reason my oldest brother and I are not like the other two in that we can drink but its not like it is or was with the other two.

It wasn't meant to be classy, you histrionic fop.

Humor at the expense of others is timeless.

The internet was a lovely place. You'll have internet 2.0 soon where speech is monitored and censored so your fragile mind can be at ease.

It was a great day. Sunny and 70.

My oldest brother and I are a lot alike. Before I got sober, we could go toe to toe, drink for drink. My brother that just passed away, the most alcohol he ever had in one setting was 7 beers :rolleyes: and my sister is the same way as him, she can take it or leave it. Neither of my parents drink.

Alcoholism is not a disease, it is a choice.

Science may disagree with you.

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it."

Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

There's a reason alcoholics who have stopped drinking are called "recovering." it's because they'll never be "cured." They won't ever be able to drink as someone who is not alcoholic can drink. It's a disease.

My father is drinking himself to death. It's an awful thing to watch. And I spent years angry about it. But, for whatever reason, I was spared the addictive need for alcohol my dad has. Which means I can't ever understand what's going on in his head. I can't judge, because I will never truly understand.

I need a drink.

If you posted a picture of an aids baby would that be funny and timeless?

Alcoholism is a disease. To belittle someone, especially in a public forum for having a disease is the act of a heartless, hateful, coward.

Simply not true.