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VOL JACK 04-04-2011 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 765874)
The problem is that he has only run well with perfect trips....either setting a modest pace or stalking in the clear. Yes, he has talent, but no ability to overcome even the slightest adversity.

However, given the dearth of speed in US turf racing, he could do very well in our turf races.



Little Mike...:D

With the way he was bet yesterday and, with his top form right now, I am shocked that Dale Romans didn't wait and run him in the Maker's Mark Mile at Keeneland.

randallscott35 04-04-2011 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 765919)
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Little Mike...:D

With the way he was bet yesterday and, with his top form right now, I am shocked that Dale Romans didn't wait and run him in the Maker's Mark Mile at Keeneland.

Speed carries much better at GP than KEE.

VOL JACK 04-04-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 765920)
Speed carries much better at GP than KEE.

Did you watch the turf races there last spring?
Or are you just typing to increase your number of posts?

Patrick333 04-04-2011 08:46 AM

I think after this weekend Shackleford will be on the outside looking in as far as the Kentucky Derby goes.

randallscott35 04-04-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 765921)
Did you watch the turf races there last spring?
Or are you just typing to increase your number of posts?

Yes. You have a horse who obviously likes a harder turf course. He gets that at GP. He doesn't at KEE

And if you had read the article, Romans wants to go in Woodford, therefore, the Makers Mark was never a thought.

blackthroatedwind 04-04-2011 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 765919)
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Little Mike...:D

With the way he was bet yesterday and, with his top form right now, I am shocked that Dale Romans didn't wait and run him in the Maker's Mark Mile at Keeneland.

Maybe he wasn't confident Comandeered would be at Keeneland to ride shotgun and hand Little Mike the victory.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice horse, but his run is over.

NTamm1215 04-04-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 765930)
Maybe he wasn't confident Comandeered would be at Keeneland to ride shotgun and hand Little Mike the victory.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice horse, but his run is over.

Who gets exposed first outside of GP, Little Mike or Tackleberry?

justindew 04-04-2011 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 765931)
Who gets exposed first outside of GP, Little Mike or Tackleberry?

Zito's 4-time winner from yesterday. S.S. Whatever.

blackthroatedwind 04-04-2011 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 765931)
Who gets exposed first outside of GP, Little Mike or Tackleberry?

That's a little unfair, as Tackleberry had an amazing meet, and Little Mike is OK as well. However, that course was kind to Little Mike, and yesterday's race was a complete farce. If Johnny doesn't pull that move into the first turn, or better yet, actually rides properly, the result would likely have been much different. He took out the other speed and let Little Mike loaf along, relatively speaking. What was that horse even doing in the race...especially given that absurd game plan?

VOL JACK 04-04-2011 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew (Post 765932)
Zito's 4-time winner from yesterday. S.S. Whatever.

I guess he always has the Claiming Crown.

NTamm1215 04-04-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 765933)
That's a little unfair, as Tackleberry had an amazing meet, and Little Mike is OK as well. However, that course was kind to Little Mike, and yesterday's race was a complete farce. If Gomez doesn't pull that move into the first turn, or better yet, actually rides properly, the result would likely have been much different. He took out the other speed and let Little Mike loaf along, relatively speaking. What was that horse even doing in the race...especially given that absurd game plan?

I can't stand Tackleberry, so I guess we see that differently. I feel like he's getting a lot of praise because he ran often and showed determination.

You're referring to Commandeered, right? Gomez was on McLaughlin's horse that came from the back and just missed. Commandeered was a worthless entrant in that race because his turf win was a farce. I'm still hoping Matz puts Julio Pezua on Nicanor so he can get the lead, which he desperately needs to be a factor at all.

If I had to choose which one is more likely to win a graded stake outside of Florida the rest of the year I'd go with Little Mike.

blackthroatedwind 04-04-2011 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 765936)
I can't stand Tackleberry, so I guess we see that differently. I feel like he's getting a lot of praise because he ran often and showed determination.

You're referring to Commandeered, right? Gomez was on McLaughlin's horse that came from the back and just missed. Commandeered was a worthless entrant in that race because his turf win was a farce. I'm still hoping Matz puts Julio Pezua on Nicanor so he can get the lead, which he desperately needs to be a factor at all.

If I had to choose which one is more likely to win a graded stake outside of Florida the rest of the year I'd go with Little Mike.

I realized it was Johnny, not Gomez, and changed it.

That horse took out the Live Oak horse into the first turn and subsequently handed the race to Little Mike. If the pace played out even remotely competitively, Little Mike probably runs third.

I still don't know how good Nicanor is, but I'm beginning to believe Leparoux hates that horse, as he has now completely buried him twice in a row. You're right, Pezua couldn't be worse.

Indian Charlie 04-04-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 765941)

I still don't know how good Nicanor is, but I'm beginning to believe Leparoux hates that horse, as he has now completely buried him twice in a row. You're right, Pezua couldn't be worse.

Admittedly, I do not watch a lot of racing from GP, but man, lately it seems like every time I watch a horse with Leparoux on it, he rides it like a complete moron.

By complete moron, I'm saying relative to other jocks.

Merlinsky 04-04-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 765941)
I realized it was Johnny, not Gomez, and changed it.

That horse took out the Live Oak horse into the first turn and subsequently handed the race to Little Mike. If the pace played out even remotely competitively, Little Mike probably runs third.

I still don't know how good Nicanor is, but I'm beginning to believe Leparoux hates that horse, as he has now completely buried him twice in a row. You're right, Pezua couldn't be worse.

The minute I saw Leparoux on Nicanor I just shook my head. Didn't even make sense to root for the horse to hit the board (which he was now all but certain not to do before the race even began) because you knew exactly how he was going to be ridden. He wasn't gonna be put on the lead and we all know what happens with Nicanor then. It was just a question of how far back in the field he was going to end up. So frustrating.

Sightseek 04-04-2011 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 765950)
Admittedly, I do not watch a lot of racing from GP, but man, lately it seems like every time I watch a horse with Leparoux on it, he rides it like a complete moron.

By complete moron, I'm saying relative to other jocks.

He is dreadful.

lemoncrush 04-04-2011 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333 (Post 765922)
I think after this weekend Shackleford will be on the outside looking in as far as the Kentucky Derby goes.

I think he may be a little short on earnings once all is said and done, but there will be a handful of horses currently in the top 20 that will not go to the Derby, whether it's common sense, injuries or something else.

Indian Charlie 04-04-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 765955)
He is dreadful.

Ok, I thought so, but he didn't seem to be so deadset on killing off anything with speed before.

Sightseek 04-04-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 765959)
Ok, I thought so, but he didn't seem to be so deadset on killing off anything with speed before.

There were a couple times at Saratoga where his horse would break on top and he would choke it to the back of the field.

NTamm1215 04-04-2011 11:08 AM

Leparoux's GP meet was absolutely horrible, even though yesterday was obviously a highlight. These were his numbers:

321: 43-42-42 13.39% Win 39.56% ITM $1.24 ROI

Indian Charlie 04-04-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 765961)
There were a couple times at Saratoga where his horse would break on top and he would choke it to the back of the field.

Yeah. He broke beautifully with Indiano yesterday in a race where nobody really wanted the lead, and he shuffled him back. I wouldn't say he choked him, but any chance he had to win was gone.


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