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SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 755346)
Completely disagree.

The prison system needs to be cut drastically. Some states are actually paying private companies 10-25% more than what it would cost the state to run a prison.

Less prisons, More common sense on non-violent offenders.



This is the key. I thin.. know that the justice system in this country is corrupt and unjust. I am against the death penalty. I don't trust the system to get it right. I was saying it makes as much sense as High Speed Rail and Nationwide 6G coverage ( that the Govt. wants the authority to shut off at their whim, while they admonish other countries for doing the same). Are the new phones that everyone(remember wealth distribution) is going to need to take advantage of this new Govt. provided wonder to be paid for by us taxpayers? Will the computers and phones be made in America? Will it use more electricity(read Energy) to keep running and recharging all of these devices? Will it not create more Global Warming? Pay attention.

Cannon Shell 02-22-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu (Post 755312)
Cut off all aid. Yeah I know the poor starving people and all that bull shitz, screw em until their corrupt, inept government does something about these azzholes. Enough is enough we should just send them some napalm care packages....... they contribute nothing to the rest of the world.

I dont think there is a formal govt in place in Somolia. I also don't think we send them very much aid money.

Cannon Shell 02-22-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 755329)
That's what I wanted to find out from Wing, that he didn't answer - Illinois, many years back, put a time limit on someone's ability to collect welfare. Like 2 years or something. Wonder if it's still in effect.

I wonder about people like Congresswoman and Tea Party queen Michelle Bachmann, who raised 23 foster kids - that alot of monthly government checks, combined with her government farms subsidies.

So you are criticizing someone who raised 23 foster children because she received gov't money to help defray the expenses?

AeWingnut 02-22-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 755334)
Don't worry, the GOP is about to strip the EPA of their ability to regulate anything. You'll have acid rain and poisonous water back before you can say "liberals suck".

you left out Global Warming :rolleyes:


btw

liberals suck

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 755380)
I dont think there is a formal govt in place in Somolia. I also don't think we send them very much aid money.

They live in squalor. Talk about poor.

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755384)
They live in squalor. Talk about poor.

If only they had high speed rail, and unlimited internet access, and an electric receptacle to plug it into, and a stable Govt. to tell them what to do.,

Danzig 02-22-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 755346)
Completely disagree.

The prison system needs to be cut drastically. Some states are actually paying private companies 10-25% more than what it would cost the state to run a prison.

Less prisons, More common sense on non-violent offenders.

:tro:

Danzig 02-22-2011 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 755382)
So you are criticizing someone who raised 23 foster children because she received gov't money to help defray the expenses?

it's apparent that welfare is good, whereas foster parenting is bad. it's a racket you see...

oh, wait. that woman she talked about must not be a democrat. were she a democrat, she'd be up for woman of the year.

Riot 02-22-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 755382)
So you are criticizing someone who raised 23 foster children because she received gov't money to help defray the expenses?

I personally think it's awesome. I'm just jumping on the "awful government-freebie-taking handout queen" meme. What's the matter, that ship full? Queen of the Tea Party gets all her money from the government - job, kids, farm.

Riot 02-22-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755387)
If only they had high speed rail, and unlimited internet access, and an electric receptacle to plug it into, and a stable Govt. to tell them what to do.,

Or, or ... food! And no people killing them!

timmgirvan 02-22-2011 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 755329)
That's what I wanted to find out from Wing, that he didn't answer - Illinois, many years back, put a time limit on someone's ability to collect welfare. Like 2 years or something. Wonder if it's still in effect.

I wonder about people like Congresswoman and Tea Party queen Michelle Bachmann, who raised 23 foster kids - that alot of monthly government checks, combined with her government farms subsidies.

you just a "muckraker"

Honu 02-22-2011 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 755380)
I dont think there is a formal govt in place in Somolia. I also don't think we send them very much aid money.

Only over a 100 million most years and close to 140 million in the last fiscal year.

Danzig 02-23-2011 06:40 AM

i don't know/care whether the navy should patrol that area-but i'm not quite sure where the cost analysis is coming from. our sailors and ships are at sea more often than not, i doubt the cost would increase if they chose to patrol that area. i've never understood why the price is an argument, it's not as tho the navy isn't getting paid or using funds if there is no official action; there's always action.

as for the aid to somalia, it's probably in the form of food and medicine, and the price mentioned is a drop in the our vast budgetary bucket. people bemoan foreign aid, but our military expenditure far surpasses that. if we could actually raise foreign aid a few percentage points and buy some peace, and lower our military budget by the same percentage-we'd make money. i don't think people realize just how much of our budget goes to defense spending.

joeydb 02-23-2011 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 755459)
the price mentioned is a drop in the our vast budgetary bucket.

"Save enough pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves." - Benjamin Franklin

AeWingnut 02-23-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 755459)
i don't know/care whether the navy should patrol that area-but i'm not quite sure where the cost analysis is coming from. our sailors and ships are at sea more often than not, i doubt the cost would increase if they chose to patrol that area. i've never understood why the price is an argument, it's not as tho the navy isn't getting paid or using funds if there is no official action; there's always action.

as for the aid to somalia, it's probably in the form of food and medicine, and the price mentioned is a drop in the our vast budgetary bucket. people bemoan foreign aid, but our military expenditure far surpasses that. if we could actually raise foreign aid a few percentage points and buy some peace, and lower our military budget by the same percentage-we'd make money. i don't think people realize just how much of our budget goes to defense spending.

how much of that foreign aid just ends up staying with the despots? Defense of this country is one of the things congress and the president are supposed to do.

I agree with the bolded part of your argument

AeWingnut 02-23-2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 755406)
it's apparent that welfare is good, whereas foster parenting is bad. it's a racket you see...

oh, wait. that woman she talked about must not be a democrat. were she a democrat, she'd be up for woman of the year.


I :{>: Michelle :)

GBBob 02-23-2011 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 755383)
you left out Global Warming :rolleyes:


btw

liberals suck

brilliant

herkhorse 02-23-2011 08:47 AM

Even if I was a rich mofo with a yacht, I would have a personal no sail zone near Somalia. Just sayin.

AeWingnut 02-23-2011 08:56 AM


Riot 02-23-2011 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 755443)
you just a "muckraker"

"Reality has a liberal bias"


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