[quote]Where did that debt come from? Far more to it than just numbers. What items made up Bush II's rise? What items made up the rise after November 2008?

[quote=Riot;752281]Oh, geez, the numbers you post have validity - everyone else's are just numbers.

9/11 and building up the military that Clinton dismantled to balance the budget cost a pretty penny.

Despite what anyone else says, I applaud Bush for going into Iraq. If he hadn't, what kind of powder keg would we be dealing with today with that Hitleresque nut job still in power?!~

Repubs pandering to the left during the 2nd half of the Bush administration and buying into Democratic reckless spending philosophy.

You tell me what items made up the rise after 11/08. I'd say it's just some more reckless spending on the backs of the American tax payer.

We should get the hell out of Afghanistan - talk about a worthless cause. Fly the drones, take out the poppy fields, weapons, terrorists and bring the soldiers home. They are dying needlessly, and there doesn't seem to be any Democrats crying about it like they did with the war in Iraq.

I feel the sorriest for the youngest generation - they are going to be paying dearly for the debt that is accumulating exponentially with no end in sight. It has to stop. There has to be some brakes on this runaway spending train.

[quote]No. That's not the point. Nobody is debating the debt numbers. We've all posted the same numbers. The debate here is about who increased that debt.

For example, it's ridiculous and false to say Obama increased the debt "this" much, when billions of those monies spent in 2009-2010 during his administration were not monies he approved and spent.

Billions were approved by Bush - the wars, the first stimulus, TARP, etc - all that spending was created by Bush, but those monies were not all spent and done with in the last 5 weeks of his administration. Obama couldn't have recalled spending those monies if he'd wanted to, it was passed law, it was set those monies would be spent even if McCain had won. And that was a Bush II spend.

So look at Obama's spending during his administration, but you cannot take the billions spent in 2009 and 2010, due to first stimulus, TARP, bank bailouts, Bush's war commitments, etc and blame Obama (or McCain if it were McCain) for that. That's crazy.

[quote=Riot;752303]Oh, sure, let's drag out the "Let's blame Bush" chestnut. Guess Bush didn't inherit a tanking economy when he took office and then get hit with the 9/11 disaster 8 months into office?!~

Should the projected 2011 deficit be blamed on Bush? Obama is going to balance the budget by trimming $1.1 trillion over 10 years.

The numbers don't wash.

Printhess...

there is really no use when it comes to debating with Riot... the bigoted hater of all things America.

[quote=Princess Doreen;752319]Riot"s favorite saying "It is all Bush's fault".

Please quit picking on Riot. Riot isnt a Bigot but a Bimbo. All other people are hateful according to Riot.

Uh, yeah, well we will when some try to blame Obama for the deficit caused by Bush starting 2 wars, the first stimulus, and TARP :D

Didnt Obama say he was going to send the troops home during his campaign? Sure looks like the troops are home. Actions speak louder than words. Im counting the days until November 2012 get here. Hopefully the Obama circus will come to an end.


Lots of promises made, still lots of work to be done:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...amas-promises/

[quote=Princess Doreen;752288]seriously? how many trillions spent, how many lives lost, yet to be lost, over that guy? he was a chained dog. and i guess you saw that the big whistleblower on wmd's has now said it was all made up. that was the biggest lie fed to this country in years.

[quote=Danzig;752718]Colin Powell was the biggest convincer of them all that WMD's existed. And,
I haven't been convinced that there weren't WMD's but there was enough time to spirit them away somewhere, somehow, someway.

Um well hasnt the deficit gone up under Obama? Obama has been Pres for two years now.

Yes, I already brought up that point with the amount the deficit has gone up, but RIOT says it's all Bush's fault.

[quote=Princess Doreen;752721]you do remember colin powell resigning after, right? when he found he'd been duped? used by bush and co? that region is worse off now, we're worse off now, because of that stupid series of decisions. i was no saddam fan, but his ouster wasn't worth all that it cost us, and is still costing us. and like i said above, we would most likely be out of afganistan by now had we focused all our energies there to begin with. so it drags on now, our longest war ever.

It is alway Bush's fault if you ask Riot. Two years into his term and it is still all Bush's fault.

yeah, he had eight years to eff everything up, go figure that obama hasn't fixed it after two. :rolleyes:
it's not all bushes fault, it's not all obamas fault, when times were good it wasnt all due to clinton. it's so funny that those defending obama blame the last guy, and the guys defending the last guy see no reason to avoid blaming obama
oh, hilarity, thy name is politics.

[quote=Danzig;752725]I do remember Colin Powell going over, in great detail before the UN, a video of trucks supposedly hauling WMD's. If, indeed, he was duped into that deductive reasoning by someone else, then he did the right thing to resign. It would be justified to call him an idiot.

Afghanistan will never be stabilized - never, ever, ever irregardless if we hadn't gone into Iraq. We'll be fighting and dying and spending trillions in Afghanistan well into your grandchildren's adult life if someone doesn't get the message to cut our losses and get the hell out of there.

[quote=Princess Doreen;752732]i wouldn't call powell and idiot. he was sold a bill of goods by bush and cheney, et al.

this was on my home page when i got home today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41609536...deastn_africa/

LONDON — An Iraqi defector who went by the codename “Curveball” has publicly admitted for the first time that he made up stories about mobile bioweapons trucks and secret factories to try to bring down Saddam Hussein’s regime.

also:

As it turned out, Powell was not told that one of the sources for the information — “Curveball" — had been flagged by the Defense Intelligence Agency as suspect and untrustworthy.




and, as i said elsewhere, afganistan was most likely a mistake. that country has always been unkind to invaders. at any rate, it certainly didn't help all those years that afganistan was an afterthought, iraq taking all the focus, the money, the efforts. how much longer now in afganistan? who knows? and trillions spent, gone forever. and for WHAT??? so bush could dress up in a flight suit and play army. yay.

:tro::tro:

We should remember that ole conservative hymm. 'Ask not what your country can do but what you can do for your country'

JFK commenting on the first cash for junk rebates.

No, I did not say that Doreen.

What I said was you have to blame deficit due to Bush on Bush, and what Obama spent on Obama.

But you can't blame Obama for the carryover deficit, the lasting legacy, from the Bush spending. And that's the vast majority of our deficit