Geez this would be an issue if Macho Again caught Rachel in the Woodward. Clearly 9 was the limit, and 10 was pushing it.

:wf....Hard to care about anything Pletcher sends out. He's Rudy Rodriguez in better clothes.

Like I said - she had a big backform coming into the race ... but I think you'll be surprised at how many people will be looking to play against her next time.

But who could they be playing against her with? She's not going to be running against males. Trust me, I understand your point and it's a good one. I just don't know if it's applicable in her case. We'll see.

He blew a couple of nice 2 yr olds away in that race. The west point and klaravich colts are both nice and the contessa horse is supposed to be a runner.

Uncle Mo is a freak.

Nice based on what? They were all first time starters.

On Betfair going into the PE - Life at Ten was 5/2 and Persistently was 69/1.

On the toteboard the next time the two of them meet - Life At Ten will still be a shorter price ... but I think you'll be extremely surprised by how minimal the spread in odds between those two will be. Life At Ten clearly ran the better race of the two on Sunday imo.

Hype from connections for all that's worth. It will be fun to keep track of. I think the 1 could be any kind.

Hype from connections isn't worth much to me. West Point likes every horse they own. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Violette to develop a 2 year old.

We'll see. Like I said, I agree with your general point, but I can't imagine you'll get a nice price on Life At Ten next time, which is what this entire thread is about.

That's a very tough race to use also-rans for perspective since it was all firsters. The Contessa took CRAZY $, but barely left the gate, so it's hard to point to the hype surrounding him as a positive for Mo.

Violette has done pretty well with 2 yr olds over the years if I'm not mistaken. Readthefootnotes was pretty strong.

That's one of how many? He's an exceptional first out trainer, but they rarely do much past October of their 2 year old year. Seriously think about how many 2 year olds he's had in the last 5 years. How many have won a stake at 3?

Dream rush. Litigation risk will win one this fall

Violette had 38 2yo maiden winners from 2005-2009 that have run back for him at 3.

15 have won at 3 and only 2 of those have won stakes (Dream Rush and Summer Doldrums).

For the amount his owners have paid for those horses and for all the very good looking maiden wins they have had, those numbers are just not very good.

There are a few in here that skew the results to make them look better than they are too.

The wizzard talked the Contessa up and bet him hard to win, if I remember correctly.

Nice dapples.

Unfortunately I used this horse...that was a lot of money to pay for him.

Thanks

How can you skew a formulator search?