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RolloTomasi 07-20-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 671311)
Correct on Flanders and Lure. The Derby winner was Go For Gin, although Sea Hero is obviously a good guess.

Sea Hero was a horrendous guess. He romped in the Champagne in '92.

DrugS should be flogged for that answer.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 671651)
Sea Hero was a horrendous guess. He romped in the Champagne in '92.

DrugS should be flogged for that answer.

Flanders winning and Lure getting beat happened in 1994 - the same year when Sea Hero couldn't beat anyone.

philcski 07-20-2010 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 671651)
Sea Hero was a horrendous guess. He romped in the Champagne in '92.

DrugS should be flogged for that answer.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 671653)
Flanders winning and Lure getting beat happened in 1994 - the same year when Sea Hero couldn't beat anyone.

Correct... which is why I said it was a good guess. Go for Gin wasn't nearly in as bad of form.

DaTruth 07-20-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 671650)


Off the board for a 13K tag on the dirt at Philly Park ... A Grade 1 stakes winner on turf less than a year later. Name him.


Val's Prince.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 07:19 PM

Nope

RolloTomasi 07-20-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 671653)
Flanders winning and Lure getting beat happened in 1994 - the same year when Sea Hero couldn't beat anyone.

I misread the question. I thought it was referring to only the Champagne Stakes and the Frizette.

If they ran Sea Hero in consistent races perhaps he would have been better at 4. His first start was a sprint (7f), then a main track route,. then a middle distance turf race, then a marathon turf race, etc. It seems like they were experimenting the whole season. He ran fairly well against fellow Grade 1 winner Fourstars Allstars in a 8.5f allowance (IIRC in 1:39+), so I'm not sure why they didn't pursue a miler type campaign. I think his next start off that race was the Sword Dancer at 12f.

RolloTomasi 07-20-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 671662)
Nope

What about Better Talk Now? Cetewayo?

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 07:32 PM

Correct on Cetewayo.

His Grade 1 wins came 4 years apart. Val's Prince was actually 2nd to him in the first one.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 07:35 PM



Grade 1 winner. Name him.

RolloTomasi 07-20-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 671670)


Grade 1 winner. Name him.

Joyeux Danseur

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 07:38 PM

Correct

philcski 07-20-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 671670)


Grade 1 winner. Name him.

I know this one but I'll let others answer. He was really good for about a 6 month stretch.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 07:40 PM



One of the better 2yo turfers. Name him.

Port Conway Lane 07-20-2010 07:47 PM

Cryptic Rascal

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 07:49 PM

Correct.

I was a big fan of the NJ Bred filly who smoked him in the Jersey Derby .. she went downhill after that though. The great Who Did it And Run.

RolloTomasi 07-20-2010 07:52 PM

Some one-off turf horses:

1) This champion juvenile and favorite for at least 2 of the 3 classics the following year, won his only turf start (The Tell) as a prep for the Travers. I think he was DQ'd from the win actually.

2) This lightly raced colt, trained by a HOF jockey, was 5th in the Arkansas Derby, his stakes debut. He was also 5th in the Kentucky Derby, Jockey Club Gold Cup, and BC Classic. Off his Derby effort, he one the restricted Relaunch at Del Mar in his only turf start. He later won the Malibu and Strub, but was unplaced in the San Fernando.

3) This colt was the "best maiden in the country" in '95, having placed in the Norfolk and Hollywood Futurity flanking an unplaced try Unbridled's Song's BC Juvenile. After breaking his maiden he won the San Felipe but missed the Triple Crown. He came back on the turf, winning the Volante (now the Oak Tree Derby), but I don't think ever ran again.

4) This colt ran 3rd in his only grass start, the minor Pirate Cove Stakes at Santa Anita, prior to his coming out party in the San Felipe in the mud, where he dusted Brocco and Valiant Nature.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 07:57 PM

2 is Diazo.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-20-2010 07:59 PM

I'm pretty sure 4 is Soul of The Matter - don't know the other two.

RolloTomasi 07-20-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 671691)
2 is Diazo.

Yep. Stuka deputized by winning the Big Cap for Allen Paulson (on a DQ) after Diazo broke down training for the race.

KirisClown 07-20-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 671690)
3) This colt was the "best maiden in the country" in '95, having placed in the Norfolk and Hollywood Futurity flanking an unplaced try Unbridled's Song's BC Juvenile. After breaking his maiden he won the San Felipe but missed the Triple Crown. He came back on the turf, winning the Volante (now the Oak Tree Derby), but I don't think ever ran again..


Odyle..


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