Originally Posted by CSC (Post 655369)

Though as is always the case in her career Zenyatta may have a thing to say about that.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655370)

Are you speaking in some kind of code? I don't know what you're talking about.

NT

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655364)

Go look at Unrivaled Belle's PPs. Then you'll have your facts straight. Click here: http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbH...0100612-494159

She won the Rampart on Fla Derby day before winning the La Troienne and came into the latter with a record of 5: 4-0-1 on conventional dirt with the only blemish being a 2nd place finish in the Gazelle. I know you're desperate to pound away at any horse who beat Rachel, but Unrivaled Belle was as accomplished coming into the La Troienne, if not more, than St. Trinians is coming into the Vanity.

Where did I say anything about St. Trinians being terrible? All I said was that a horse of Zenyatta's caliber should give ST at least 15 lbs in my opinion. You're talking about a Grade II and listed stakes winner and a 16x winner, BC Classic winner, 2x GI winner in 2010, and CSC Horse of the Year here. Come on, 9 lbs?

NT

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 655376)

Your not serious enough to actually question why she got 129?

It has nothing to do with on the track as was pointed out by Merlinsky.

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 655377)

My work may not allow me access to download anything horseracing related, but I do seem to recall Unrivaled Belle losing to Striking Dancer, didn't she? Granted that was on pro-ride. As much as I like Striking Dancer she is not the same horse St. Trinians is.

As for the weight, I think the spread is more important than the actual weight. It is generally accepted by some horseplayeres that 1 lb equals 1 length in the final result, and to me that is substantial when you are giving that amount of weight to a horse of St. Trinians caliber.

In the end it may not matter, Zenyatta will probably run her down anyway, but she can't have a subpar ride from Smith or an off day.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655378)

I understand that the racing secretary has an obligation to make sure they keep her in the race, but where was she gonna go? Shirreffs is mountain-phobic and tackling Rail Trip would be attempting to climb the highest mountain. If you're giving Zenyatta 129, fine, St. Trinians should tack 114.

NT

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655381)

I see, it's all so easy when you let the surface lines completely blur. I mean, who wouldn't take into consideration whether a horse is actually running on their preferred surface? After all, if you do that, how does the 2009 BC Classic field look?

NT

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 655386)

I've been down that road here, with this 95% Pro-Rachel board. Unless Zenyatta wins on dirt, travels, runs a minimum 115 beyer, beats Quality Road, carries 130 doing so, and runs against the bias. It may, JUST may satisfy her detractors. Though I'm not holding onto that belief. But I guess even I can be surprised sometimes.

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 655386)

I've been down that road here, with this 95% Pro-Rachel board. Unless Zenyatta wins on dirt, travels, runs a minimum 115 beyer, beats Quality Road, carries 130 doing so, and runs against the bias. It may, JUST may satisfy her detractors. Though I'm not holding onto that belief. But I guess even I can be surprised sometimes.

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 655390)

Stay classy

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655388)

All I ask is that people comparing horses who have run on synthetics and dirt actually try to understand that many horses prefer one over the other. To diminish the quality of Unrivaled Belle because she lost a race on the Pro-Ride is foolish, especially given her prior dirt accomplishments and those she' accumulated since.

That argument drives me even more crazy than this incessant notion that Zenyatta is better on dirt.

NT

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 655392)

That's one of the problems with the sport. The mirage of classiness. If more people would tell the psychotic to go f.uck themselves the better.

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 655390)

Stay classy

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 655395)

People cannot just say they disagree, coming from him it isn't unexpected, it's par for the course. We all can't be raised with class. :)

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 655396)

You're a man, not a battered woman.

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 655395)

People cannot just say they disagree, coming from him it isn't unexpected, it's par for the course. We all can't be raised with class. :)

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 655426)

Apparently, not all of us can be raised with a clue either.

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 655428)

I relish these opportunities to fire back, what's your excuse then? Are you waiting for a field of Bullsbay's and or Macho Again's to fill before your horse crush gets off the schnide this year? :D