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Slewbopper 05-28-2010 12:40 PM
IMO Sunday and Easy can be compared to Affirmed and Alydar. The '89 Preakness is the perfect example. It is similar to the '78 Belmont. The reason Sunday is #31 and Easy is #34 is the will to win. In the Preakness the fact that Day gave him one of many sh/tty rides is of little consequence. Easy could run all day as shown in his Belmont and JCGC wins.. The two were hooked for a 1/4 mile in the Preakness and Sunday just would not him him go by. That is the difference between the two...just like A & A....a greater will to win.

Slewbopper 05-28-2010 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader (Post 651882)
And "back and to the left" of my "Kentucky Tavern 1986 Derby Winner 'Ferdinand' mirror."
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Wow!!! I have an '84 version of Kentucky Tavern with Swale. A friend who owned a liquor store back then gave it to me. Kind of chintzy bar wall type stuff, but I love it.

Slewbopper 05-28-2010 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 651886)
Easy Goer wins the Preakness if he doesn't try to rip SS's snout off during their stretch battle.

That series very easily should have been 2-2.
Yeah ....almost looked like "The Savage" part two.

alysheba4 05-28-2010 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by smartbid09 (Post 651855)
The reason I started this thread is because I'm confused. It seems Easy Goer's accomplishments outweigh Sunday Silences. Forget who beat who more times. Why not judge Easy Goer and Sunday Silence's greatness based on their body of work. I don't think the 4 times they met supplied us with the answer of who was the better horse. But who was the better horse on that day and under that days conditions. A muddy belmont and Sunday Silence wins the triple crown. A better ride/ rider in baltimore and Easy Goer beats Sunday Silence hands down. A fast track in Louisville and Easy Goer and Sunday Silence are now on a fair playing field.

Noor raced against and beat the mighty Citation 4 of the 5 times they met. But Noor, we can agree, was not the better horse just because he won more times. Why was Citation the better horse? Citation's body of work outweighs Noor's.

Judging both Sunday Silence and Easy Goer's Bodies of work you can not tell me that Sunday Silence is the better horse. Did he ever come close to Dr. Fager's world record? Did he set track records? Did he win multiple times against older horses while spotting them weight? The fact Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer, to me, seems to be an incredible accomplishment. But the fact he beat Easy Goer multiple times does not seem to warrant his greatness to be more than Easy Goers.

If it does explain to me what is so great about Sunday Silence's body of work... to me it's a great body of work but not as good as Easy's.
ur giving me a fcking headache......

Thunder Gulch 05-28-2010 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by smartbid09 (Post 651795)
Was Easy Goer better than Sunday Silence?

If the reason a horse ranks higher than another on a list is based on the amount of times they beat another horse than every list would rank Alsab above Whirlaway and Noor would rank above Citation. Alsab beat Whirlaway 2 of the three times they met on the track; And Noor beat Citation 4 of the 5 times they met. They seemed to agree with me because on their list Alsab (#65) ranks lower than Whirlaway (#26) and Noor (#69) ranks lower than Citation (#3). So I assume that the blood horse list didn't rank Sunday Silence above Easy Goer simply because he won 3 of the 4 times they met.
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The analogy of Citation and Noor is a terrible comparison. Noor beat Citation way after Citation's prime. As a 2yo and 3yo, Citation was as good as any horse that ever ran in America. Injuries sat him out for his entire 4yo season before he came back a shell of himself at 5, when Noor beat him multiple times.
By comparison, Sunday Silence and Easy Goer's most important races were run against each other, and SS got the best of it.

westcoastinvader 05-29-2010 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Slewbopper (Post 651979)
Wow!!! I have an '84 version of Kentucky Tavern with Swale. A friend who owned a liquor store back then gave it to me. Kind of chintzy bar wall type stuff, but I love it.

Chinty or not, I love bar wall stuff. Ferdinand's Kentucky Tavern Mirror is hung in the same grouping as the Kentucky Tavern Mirrors of Unbridled and Winning Colors.


All are to the left of Jean Cruguet autographed Belmont finish line photo with him aboard Seattle Slew. Slew's Preakness winner's circle photo is there, too. As is an obscure shot from the infield of Slew winning the Kentucky Derby with The Twin Spires in the background.

And to the right of the Slew photographs is a collage of real $2 tickets on Seattle Slew to win each race of his Triple Crown.




Changing paces, I was living in South Carolina when Woody Stephens with his South Carolina connections was dealing publicly with the passing of Swale.

GenuineRisk 05-31-2010 03:36 PM
I googled to see if I could find any photos showing Easy Goer's alleged attempted bite (no luck, though some article mentioned it) but I also found this neat article from 1989 on the naming of Sunday Silence:

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/21/sp...in-a-name.html

The ending made me laugh.

gales0678 06-01-2010 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Slewbopper (Post 651974)
IMO Sunday and Easy can be compared to Affirmed and Alydar. The '89 Preakness is the perfect example. It is similar to the '78 Belmont. The reason Sunday is #31 and Easy is #34 is the will to win. In the Preakness the fact that Day gave him one of many sh/tty rides is of little consequence. Easy could run all day as shown in his Belmont and JCGC wins.. The two were hooked for a 1/4 mile in the Preakness and Sunday just would not him him go by. That is the difference between the two...just like A & A....a greater will to win.


pat day's ride cost his horse the race plain and simple , he made the move to the top and instead of allowing easy goer to go on and extend his lead he choked the horse back and allowed SS to catch him , if he had just let him go just like turcotte did with secretariat then SS would never have caught him. ending up pinned in down on the rail , day cleary was bested by p val that day , they have a show called trips and traps and if it was around in '89 , the mods would have pointed all of this out to show that SS would be a trap in the belmont , day did everything wrong a rider could do in that race , p val did everything right sure eneough at the belmont sunday silence is left in the dust and beaten handily

take a look at easy goer's stride in the belmont coming down the stretch , then take a look at his stride in the stretch at pimlico , at best easy goer was running at 80% when he was pinned in on the rail

HaloWishingwell 06-01-2010 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 651806)
Much as I like Birdstone ( and love Easy Goer ), the Champagne-Belmont-Travers triple may not be the world's greatest example to establish his greatness.

This argument can go around forever. They were both truly great horses. Sunday Silence's speed gave him a tactical edge over Easy Goer that more than narrowed any possible gap in their abilities. Pat Day further exacerbated the situation with his inept riding.
But SS won races even with a druggie on his back.


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