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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 644723)

The interesting thing that came to me from the article was the statement that, of the multiple-Derby winning riders, only Borel and Chris Antley are not in the Hall of Fame. If asked to rate these two riders, it's not close, and I'm not picking Borel.

In looking at Borel's career record, he has only won three riding titles at a major venue (and all came at Churchill Downs, in 1998, 2007 and 2009). He had relatively few (for a potential Hall of Famer) major stakes wins before 2005, and even those since then are mostly on two horses (Street Sense and Rachel Alexandra).

A lot of people are trying to draw an analogy to another sports figure. I'd suggest "Big Shot" Robert Horry, who was reknowned for his clutch shooting as a member of 7 NBA chamionship teams. However, he only averaged about 8 points a game during his career. Is he a basketball Hall of Famer?

You have a vote?...I agree by the way.

Now if he wins the Triple Crown, we have a different conversation.

Kent Desormeaux 2004 ---just for that phone call the other day I am in favor of this.

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 644724)

You have a vote?...I agree by the way.

No, but I think you can guess which way I would vote if I did have one.

Big Shot Bob was at the Derby last weekend, so that does seem appropriate.

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 644671)

Please remove Mike Smith....Recall vote.

Like today's win of 600,000 for the Belmont was another "Mike S:zz:mith " accident:eek:

Paid 28.00 to win:D

But I would hope they stop basing the Hall Of Fame for Horseracing based on number of wins. I think Russell Baze would fit my argument.

Silky Sullivan Handicap (1981, 1988)
California Derby (1981)
Golden Gate Fields Handicap (1982, 2000)
Bay Meadows Handicap (1982, 1995, 2005)
Oak Tree Invitational Stakes (1984,1989)
El Camino Real Derby
(1984, 1998, 2005, 2006, 2007)
Del Mar Debutante Stakes (1986)
Longacres Mile Handicap (1988, 2003, 2004)
San Carlos Handicap (1990)
San Gorgonio Handicap (1990)
Oak Leaf Stakes (1990)
Bed O' Roses Breeders' Cup Handicap (1991)
Oklahoma Derby (1996)
Jim Beam Stakes (1998)
Lane's End Stakes (1998)
Bay Meadows Breeders' Cup Sprint (2002)
Bay Shore Stakes (2005)
King's Bishop Stakes (2005)
Sunshine Millions Dash (2005)
Churchill Downs Handicap (2006)
Aristides Breeders' Cup Stakes (2006)
Azalea Breeders' Cup Stakes (2008)
California Oaks (2009)
Lost in the Fog Stakes (2009)
Sunshine Millions Classic (2010)
San Francisco Breeders' Cup Mile 2010

Over 10k wins and have not won nothing to write a special book on.

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Originally Posted by reese (Post 654640)

Like today's win of 600,000 for the Belmont was another "Mike S:zz:mith " accident:eek:

Paid 28.00 to win:D

He's done enough.

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 644609)

Realistically, there's the Derby, and then there's everything else...

Pretty much have to agree, his riding skills will be secondary if he doesnt win the big races.

Yes Calvin should be in the Hall of Fame and it should mention that being a mud lark helped him to the winners circle.

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Originally Posted by Kingturf (Post 654653)

Watch Russell Baze ride today and if the young riders can still put in the effort that he does to win they to will deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, provided that they dont act like Cory Nakatani.

You give Russel Baze the horses that other Hall of Fame riders had and Baze would have also won with them and if the roles were reversed I dont think a single rider in the Hall would of got the wins Russell got with the horse he rode.

Answer this; How come when Russell Baze a.k.a Baze Meadow or Russell Gate Field showed up in BC or triple crown races he did nothing? Hell I recall several top notch horses he had mounts on did absolutely nothing. Before Ron Hansen was found on the rocks below the Golden Gate bridge. Baze was just racking up wins on the fair circuit and low level 5k claimers. I will always have a lack of understanding how this guy made it into the Hall of Fame. Then again, this was the first year you did not have to pick one from each category.

Decent rider yes....great rider....hell freaking no!

Borel should be in the Belmont Park Hall of Shame