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Riot 05-04-2010 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 643871)
I dont feel that a child born to a non-citizen should be a legal citizen.

Then lobby to change the Constitution of the United States. Let's give our citizens their rights, and not compromise them. You are American by the fortune of your birth location, as am I, as are they.

Antitrust32 05-04-2010 03:11 PM

wow. i actually completely agree with Riots last post. gud job

joeydb 05-04-2010 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 644021)
The United States is a country of immigrants. Black, white, brown, yellow, all are welcome, all make up this country, and always have (the whites being the first immigrants and we know what those "invaders" did to the locals and that was ugly). And every single one of them deserve to be here.

I haven't seen one person here support illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is different than legal immigration, and far different than hate for other races and religions. I think it's pretty important to keep those distinctions.

I don't disagree. I purposefully used the word "invader" to emphasize the lawlessness of the situation. If the individual(s) in question are not coming here illegally, then obviously they are not invaders and are instead citizens-in-training.

AeWingnut 05-05-2010 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 644023)
Then lobby to change the Constitution of the United States. Let's give our citizens their rights, and not compromise them. You are American by the fortune of your birth location, as am I, as are they.

no

they are the result of criminal activity.

I was born from legal citizens as were my parents and so on who were born from American citizens not commiting crimes.

Liberals have already ignored the Constitution.(with the support of non-constructionists) Yet they mock people that want to actually have a Constitutional form of government and say "change it".

dalakhani 05-05-2010 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 644247)
no

they are the result of criminal activity.

I was born from legal citizens as were my parents and so on who were born from American citizens not commiting crimes.

Liberals have already ignored the Constitution.(with the support of non-constructionists) Yet they mock people that want to actually have a Constitutional form of government and say "change it".

LOL isn't that a two sided coin? Danzig made a great point of that not too long ago. We all do it. Conservatives act like the founding fathers stumbled upon the burning bush and from God's lips came the constitution and it should be adhered to strictly...until it doesn't fit some far right or bible belt agenda. Liberals (I say "we") think it is open to interpretation and change and then hide behind it when it suits some "we are the world", save the seals thing.

I think we have come a long way as a society since a group of white men with wigs, false teeth and bad breath had the ONLY say in the way the country was run. Is it fair to say that maybe, just maybe, the constitution might be a bit...outdated in some spots. Maybe?

clyde 05-05-2010 09:48 AM

^^^^ Still sits on eggs holding mirror.Practices Ann Coulter muggy faces.



Is usually wrong, but thinks she's right.

Fits.

Coach Pants 05-05-2010 10:01 AM


miraja2 05-05-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 643997)
If I had a choice, I'd rather have a million illegal Catholic Latinos than have even 1000 Muslims (legal, or illegal.) Even if the Latinos are poor, and have reckless family planning, they are a better deal than Muslims (beyond treatment.) See Faisal.

I don't think using religion as a measure of who should be allowed to cross the border is a particularly good policy.


Although....while I'm generally in favor of open borders, I admit that if someone proposed to only allow agnostics and atheists into the country and deport ALL of the religious people (citizens and non-citizens alike) I'd almost be tempted to support it.

Princess Doreen 05-05-2010 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 644287)
LOL isn't that a two sided coin? Danzig made a great point of that not too long ago. We all do it. Conservatives act like the founding fathers stumbled upon the burning bush and from God's lips came the constitution and it should be adhered to strictly...until it doesn't fit some far right or bible belt agenda. Liberals (I say "we") think it is open to interpretation and change and then hide behind it when it suits some "we are the world", save the seals thing.

I think we have come a long way as a society since a group of white men with wigs, false teeth and bad breath had the ONLY say in the way the country was run. Is it fair to say that maybe, just maybe, the constitution might be a bit...outdated in some spots. Maybe?



brianwspencer 05-05-2010 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 644343)

LOLZ! Good one!!!!1!11!

Danzig 05-05-2010 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 644339)


Although....while I'm generally in favor of open borders, I admit that if someone proposed to only allow agnostics and atheists into the country and deport ALL of the religious people (citizens and non-citizens alike) I'd almost be tempted to support it.


:tro:

Danzig 05-05-2010 02:10 PM

hilarious cartoon by the way!

Riot 05-05-2010 02:27 PM

Quote:

no

they are the result of criminal activity.
Sex isn't criminal activity :p

They have committed no crime, and had nothing to do with their parents decisions to commit illegal acts. Hard to take rights away from a certain group of people based upon what their relatives have done. Multiple Supreme Courts have looked at the Civil Rights Act (post Civil War) and the 14th Amendment that solidified it many times. Hispanics are far from the first group to be targeted by others in this respect.

Quote:

Conservatives have already ignored the Constitution.(with the support of non-constructionists) Yet they mock people that want to actually have a Constitutional form of government and say "change it".
FTFY ;) As with the Bible, people of all political persuasions tend to quote the parts they like, and ignore the parts they don't.

Riot 05-05-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 644343)

LOL.

And for that very reason, we have the Legislative and Judicial branches ;)

Riot 05-05-2010 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 644339)
Although....while I'm generally in favor of open borders, I admit that if someone proposed to only allow agnostics and atheists into the country and deport ALL of the religious people (citizens and non-citizens alike) I'd almost be tempted to support it.

That would indeed be tempting! :tro: :D

Princess Doreen 05-05-2010 07:15 PM

On top of all our other problems - just what we need - a Godless country.

However, It sure would take care of the Mexican immigration problem.

Princess Doreen 05-05-2010 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 644287)
LOL isn't that a two sided coin? Danzig made a I think we have come a long way as a society since a group of white men with wigs, false teeth and bad breath had the ONLY say in the way the country was run. Is it fair to say that maybe, just maybe, the constitution might be a bit...outdated in some spots. Maybe?

Yeah, if a change is needed - how about this?

Subject: NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION

We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help
everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots,
keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the
blessings of a debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-
great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish
some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny,guilt
ridden, and delusional. We hold these truths to be self evident:
that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so
dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights.

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or
any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire
them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This
country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone --
not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a
different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always
will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you
stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect
the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently
wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing.
Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly
help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing
generation after generation of couch potatoes who achieve nothing more
than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
Get an education and go to work. ...don't expect everyone else to take
care of you!

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would
be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested
in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people.
If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be
surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others.
If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other
citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you
away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen
color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want
you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we
expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and
vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American
means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is
a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic
laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

ARTICLE X: _This is an English speaking country. We don't care where
you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to
wherever you came from!

(Lastly....)

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history
or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And
yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or
no faith at all; with no fear of persecution _The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST
is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with
it, TOUGH!

Danzig 05-05-2010 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 644532)
Yeah, if a change is needed - how about this?

Subject: NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION

We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help
everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots,
keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the
blessings of a debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-
great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish
some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny,guilt
ridden, and delusional. We hold these truths to be self evident:
that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so
dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights.

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or
any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire
them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This
country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone --
not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a
different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always
will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you
stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect
the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently
wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing.
Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly
help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing
generation after generation of couch potatoes who achieve nothing more
than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
Get an education and go to work. ...don't expect everyone else to take
care of you!

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would
be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested
in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people.
If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be
surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others.
If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other
citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you
away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen
color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want
you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we
expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and
vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American
means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is
a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic
laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

ARTICLE X: _This is an English speaking country. We don't care where
you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to
wherever you came from!

(Lastly....)

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history
or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And
yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or
no faith at all; with no fear of persecution _The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST
is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with
it, TOUGH!

you might want to re-read your history. in god we trust was put on the money in 1957-one of the knee jerk reactions to the godless commies, no doubt. that's why we say 'under god' in the pledge, that was added in 1954.


"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." ~james madison


"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." ~thomas jefferson


"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."~ george washington


Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." ~ben franklin



"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
-in Poor Richard's Almanac



"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." ~thomans paine


I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism makes me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not strictly speaking, whether I am one or not."
preface, Reason the Only Oracle of Man ~ ethan allen

many of our founding fathers were deists, not christians.

Princess Doreen 05-05-2010 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 644535)
you might want to re-read your history. in god we trust was put on the money in 1957-one of the knee jerk reactions to the godless commies, no doubt. that's why we say 'under god' in the pledge, that was added in 1954.

"In God we trust" has been on coins since the 1800's.

Religious quotations by the Founding Fathers - too numerous to copy here.

http://christianity.about.com/od/ind...ingfathers.htm

letswastemoney 05-05-2010 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 644343)

I like Obama in respects to almost everything, except his immigration stance, but we have something in place to prevent electing a disastrous president.

Most of the Electoral College technically does not have to follow what the states vote for!!! It's only tradition that they do. If they really felt someone was going to ruin this country, they'd vote for whoever they want.


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