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RockHardTen1985

03-23-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

dublin is really good? his trip was horrible? because he made a premature move? thats not a horrible trip.

hes a closing sprinter that can clunk up in a 2 turn race if the pace is fast enough. he has little to no chance winning the derby. he is totally dependant on pace and has done nothing to show he is a horse that will appreciate 10 furlongs.

You have never liked Dublin, when you first came here you bashed him.... Now your stuck bashing him. Dublin is at the very top if this class, I and strongly beleive that.

blackthroatedwind

03-23-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You have never liked Dublin, when you first came here you bashed him.... Now your stuck bashing him. Dublin is at the very top if this class, I and strongly beleive that.

I before E except after C.

RockHardTen1985

03-23-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

well you are in good company at least with your opinion.

watch the race again. if he was 4 wide throughout then nobles promise was 3 wide throughout. i agree, he moved early. so did nobles promise. what is his excuse for getting beaten soundly by nobles promise?

we disagree about what is horrible trip is. he moved prematurely, but he also had nothing left when it counted. hes a closing sprinter.

Keep taking shots at me... Does it make you feel better about your shitty opinion? I dont ever remember a year where I said only 3-5 horses can win the derby, of course everyone likes a few horses every year but even last year I thought anyone could win, this year is different the top 3 and even 5 to some extent really stick out.

RockHardTen1985

03-23-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I before E except after C.

Thanks Andrew

randallscott35

03-23-2010 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Don't let us stop you. I suggest getting there early.....parking's a bitch.

Not a chance but I would like to see Keeneland one of these days.

the_fat_man

03-23-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You have continued to suggest speed figures are useless.

Just about any day spent watching a card at GG, for example, pretty much cements this opinion. When all jocks ride like Dominguez, I'll certainly change my opinion.

the_fat_man

03-23-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Keep taking shots at me... Does it make you feel better about your shitty opinion?

Instead of playing the victim, you really need to try and understand why Noble's Promise ran better than Dublin (and Lookin at Lucky) in the Rebel.
Whether he needed the race and figures to go forward is really not the issue.

Indian Charlie

03-23-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree they have to improve but I was impressed with how Odysseus was able to regather himself despite ultimately seeming to have been ridden in a manner against the way he may be most effective. I bet he is a better one run type from farther back in the pack, and not a grinder, and if he gets a fair pace ( not saying he needs a collapse scenerio ), and is able to drop back early, he may be much more effective.

He also probably got the ride he did because they felt Super Saver was the one to beat, and didn't want him to get an easy lead, which is all reasonable thinking, but you ultimately have dance with proverbial girl that got you there, and in the future hopefully he will be farther from the lead early.

His allowance win he was hard ridden pretty early in the race. He was in a drive for the greater portion of the race in fact.

Gaining Ground

03-23-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You have never liked Dublin, when you first came here you bashed him.... Now your stuck bashing him. Dublin is at the very top if this class, I and strongly beleive that.

i think you could probably substitute dublin for ice box and apply this post to yourself.

the fact is, dublin has done little to prove your opinion of him. i actually like dublin, but think he is a sprinter. to be at the top of the class you need to be winning races. he isnt right now.

Gaining Ground

03-23-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

im not taking shots at you. i dont need to. but you dont have to be here long to figure out who has the good opinions and who has the shitty ones. what side do you think you fall on?

blackthroatedwind

03-23-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

His allowance win he was hard ridden pretty early in the race. He was in a drive for the greater portion of the race in fact.

I guess it's time to get him to relax.

Gaining Ground

03-23-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Surely if you're discussing race dynamics you understand the difference between being right behind the pace and lengths off of it when launching a middle move, right?

There's a big difference between being in 4th, 3.5 lengths off the pace and being in sixth, seven lengths off the pace and those horses moving at the same time. That's where Noble's Promise and Dublin were when the field straightened out for the backstretch.

NT

sure i understand all that. i also understand that nobles promise ran much better than dublin did and is getting about half the talk. on top of it all, nobles promise was making his first start off a freshening and first time on dirt.

do you think dublin is one of only 3 horses that can win the derby right now?

RockHardTen1985

03-23-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

im not taking shots at you. i dont need to. but you dont have to be here long to figure out who has the good opinions and who has the shitty ones. what side do you think you fall on?

I think my opinion is clearly better then yours.

Sightseek

03-23-2010 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think my opinion is clearly better then yours.

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Gaining Ground

03-23-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think my opinion is clearly better then yours.

what are you basing it on?

i havent really given my opinion much, but i did mention i liked ice box after his allowance win. you said he would be a claimer. how did that turn out?

RockHardTen1985

03-23-2010 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

what are you basing it on?

i havent really given my opinion much, but i did mention i liked ice box after his allowance win. you said he would be a claimer. how did that turn out?

I think Ice Box sucks. I think he won a bad edition of the race and wont make any noise in the Derby.

PeteMugg

03-23-2010 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I before E except after C.

What? No lesson on your/you're?

Gaining Ground

03-23-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think Ice Box sucks. I think he won a bad edition of the race and wont make any noise in the Derby.

maybe not. but if given the option of betting him or dublin in the derby, i will go with ice box. he at least has two wins going two turns.

RockHardTen1985

03-23-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

maybe not. but if given the option of betting him or dublin in the derby, i will go with ice box. he at least has two wins going two turns.

We should bet that, think of something, Im down.

Bigsmc

03-23-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteMugg

What? No lesson on your/you're?

Do you mean then/than?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think my opinion is clearly better then yours.

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