If that's the case, then, why worry about whether new owners to the game are going to make money or not, and do what you can to keep the stars on the track? On the one hand, you say, we need to attract new owners and keep them so they need to be able to attempt to make as much money as they can breeding. On the other hand, you say it's never been possible to make money racing no matter what (I think you're right, by the way).

Depending on breeding to keep racing afloat results, I think, in inflated sales prices because the horses are being sold as breeding prospects from the start.

Poor horse racing- depending on wealthy dynasties, then breeding syndicates, and now slots. It's really the ultimate charity case, isn't it?

Yeah sure

Again freddy he probably bred closer to 60 mares at 6k. Shareholders dont pay twice.

Here let me explain without delving into the the numbers which overwhelmingly prove my point. If he was making money, he wouldnt have given up so easily.

Chuck its 3 years of this shiiiit and nobody has caught on including NY..There was this guy named Bob Frankel who had such a career.. Nobody caught him(may he reat in peace) so now you are hoping ness isnt the next Frankel.. Between you and me what is he doing? It's Friggin magic or genius

I think the math is overwhelming in HIS favor.. He was paying 35 40 a day for training an how much was a shockwave machine and human grade DMSO.. He was tossed

If you had the money would you buy a racehorse?

He was paying way more than that freddy. He had to pay all the employees, etc. he was paying the costs of a trainer, not an owner. he paid all the costs plus salaries plus paid for the land and vans etc...

The guy didnt even have workmans comp insurance last year at Tampa. He is cheating plus preying on small tracks with a monied owner. What good horses does he have? Frankel just rolled over in his grave.

Ness was a VERY mediocre trainer until he had a sudden epiphany in Jan of 2007.

He was dealing with scum and paid them as such.. He took 3 mil out of the state X Philly Park and he still has the residual value of the horses.. He made a lot of good claims..More good then bad and most neutral.. The bad horses made al ot of purse money.. The reason Beattie and friends had him tossed was because he was taken 'their" purse money... Ness is part of the team so they leave him be..

He lost his ass.

Frankel, the legend, started like Ness. He will win graded stakes very soon and he will be a major force in racing UNLESS he is caught...Frankel never was and continued his rule on racing until his demise..

I loved Frankel...I think the Ness situation is very similar.. Frankel cheated and was the best cheater ever and because he was the very best got great owners to give him great stock..The tuna Fish didnt even care he was robbing him until it became so obvious he pitched him

He had no money to loss his ass.. You think this was Dinny? he is a working guy.You think the mortgage buz in NH and Vermont is killing it the last 3 years

I agree though I doubt many here will admit it.

http://www.boston.com/sports/other_s..._money/?page=4

I know how much it costs. He lost. Alot.

There is virtually no relation to what Frankel did and what ness has done except they both involve horses. Frankel was the leading trainer at the leading track in the US training against great horseman. He claimed and bought horses cheap and made them into top contenders in NY when NY was clearly the best racing in the country. Ness is winning at Canterbury, thistledowns and tampa. You can say what you want about Frankel and cheating but the guy was a great horseman. Ness?

My crime is I made more money at Penn National last year [$3.1 million] than any one owner made from any other track. It’s a tiny little racetrack in the middle of nowhere. So it was real simple. They wanted me out because they wanted to cut up that $3.1 million pie themselves.’’

Bonds was great too. And then he got better.

Frankel was a HoF horseman and a HoF cheat.. When you are both its an excellent recipe for success..

Ness bought a few 2 year olds training..the kid is magic and will be one of the top 5 trainers in the country in 5 years