The Whirlaway was always a huge Ky Derby prep. You're right, it's just not the same.

NT

First NYRA Apoligist takes a shot.. Think we may hit 6 horses for the next prep Nick? NY Debry Preps are a F**u**c***k**i**n**g Joke but I am sure you know that deep down inside. Unfortunately your job states otherwise and your credibility is basically ZERO that you even argue the point. Lets play Jeopardy Nick....

Answer 2008 Gotham Stakes
Question: What is the last Nyra Triple Crown Prep Race to offer a Superfecta Bet?

The plus side is any winner of a NYRA prep is a throwout May-01-2010

First of all, there was a super in the 2009 Gotham. It paid $351.70.

More importantly, and your frustration with field sizes in stakes lately is understood, but you have to know what you're dealing with in NY this time of year. Does anyone really consider the Count Fleet and Whirlaway Derby preps? If you have a quality 3YO right now you want him tested and that's just not what's going to happen as easily in NY as it will in other places.

NT

Big difference between blowing a turn and something far more serious. Did you consider that perhaps the thread starter was quite sure of what happened? After all, the horse is ok. You're accusing someone of jumping the gun-maybe he's not the only one?

You are corrrect aboutthe2009 Gotham, I misread my stats. NYRA Derby Prep races are in ascending order. This shouldn't even be a discussion. You should be able to field a Super Race for EVERY DERBY PREP.

1. Remsen
2. Whirlaway
3.Gotham
4.Wood
5. Withers (I will give you a pass here)

The lack of a super in the last two editions of the Wood had nothing to do with field size. In 2009, it had to do with the fact that Kelly Breen had an entry, thereby prohibiting super wagering under an arcane NY racing rule (even if they had a 12-horse field). Same thing in 2008 due to WinStar entry.

Wait, so the 2008 Gotham and 2009 Gotham aren't the same? You wrote 2008 in your original post.

NT

See my update I was wrong about 2009 and admit it and I am sorry. Will you admit NYRA derby preps are NO LONGER RELEVANT?

Without question the Count Fleet and Whirlaway are seldom relevant.

NT

Dude.. My year is Derby Prep Supers, otherwise I am either trading money or giving it back. Forgive me that I am VERY frustrated that NYRA can't have a Super on EVERY derby prep race. Sorry if I come across asADick

The winner of the 2009 Wood was the morning-line favorite for the Derby.

What preps do you deem "relevant" these days? The Blue Grass has been marginalized as a Derby prep since Keeneland installed Polytrack (save for an obviously-prepping Street Sense), and many knock the Santa Anita Derby for the same reason. If you throw out the Wood as well, what's left?

Mike Gill obviously sabotaged Eightyfiveinafifty....

Isn't it clear that he slipped in faulty equipment which HE KNEW would break RIGHT AWAY - and he boxed the remaining four horses in the field UNTIL THE COWS COME HOME and the man CLEANED UP at the betting windows.

This man almost KILLED another jockey and he MUST be stopped NOW!!

Putting a rider and horses life in danger just to plaster a trifecta ... outrageous.

I don't know man. I've been watching races since 1984, and for about half those years, I went to the track every day.

At some point in time I learned to tell the difference between a horse being hurt and a horse blowing a turn. In my eyes, it was ridiculously obvious that this horse was rank and blew the turn. This wasn't something like the 2006 Preakness after all, where the horse that got pulled up was equally obviously injured.

Maybe you need to watch a few more races to learn to process and believe what your eyes are telling you?

I mean really, I'm flabbergasted how anyone with any experience betting horse racing could be so utterly without a clue.

Oh, and does that mean everyone else who posted about this incident before official word came back that he was okay is also a dick? Or did you just reserve that for me for some weird reason?

Hmmm. I don't buy it. As I just mentioned, you didn't call anyone else a dick, especially the person who started the other thread.

I think you called me a dick because you are frustrated with something.

That, or you have some sort of Internet version of Tourette's syndrome.


Yes, it is much more humorous when a horse finishes up the track, which is when something might actually be physically wrong with a horse. I laugh my ass off every time a horse gets distanced!!

Classless? Who is the one that called someone a fugging dick on here?

And what history are you referring to? The history of talking sense? Of making fun of PG1985? Of trying to be helpful to people?

Do tell!

Joseph. I almost forgot to thank you for weakening Elvis' position here.

Thank you.

"Eightyfiveinafifty blew the first turn and crashed through the outer rail of the inner track, hurdled the outer rail of the outer track and wasn't corraled at Gate 6."

I think the horse was just foreshadowing his future career as a steeplechaser.

Im my opinion, the NYRA hit a walk off, grand slam homerun, here. The NYRA product has been inept for some time, (decades) and now they have an incident they can/might/probably, milk.

Degeneratates/psychophants/ hardcore chronic losers and others will
have someting to stew over, but why bet this circuit in the winter, or ever.
Rather be flogged!

This thread is not about the hiring of BTW or the choice of showing old 70's and 80's replays on MSG during snow cancel days.

Aren't you on the wrong type of message board to be attempting to solicit that kind of thing?

In a way, having to read some of the opinions on here is a form of flogging.

Fatman will love you.