Originally Posted by miraja2

I know what you're saying, but didn't the place and show horses run speed figures that fit perfectly well with what they had done previously? In terms of BSFs, they are both mid-90s horses who ran in the mid-90s on Saturday.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Oh Boy, the weather updates are starting.

Originally Posted by CSC

In retrospect, I went back and looked at his last 3 races and I think most would agree he was ridden rather peculiarly.

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

In the Sunland Derby he was off to a decent start after the first quarter- they went too fast up front and he was off the first group maybe just a tat too forward...
And then Lambert went to **** after that, for some reason he thought they were too far off the pace and pumps through a 2nd quarter that ruins all the setup advantage they had ...
Then he went and capped it off by racing to the far turn rather than the finish line:tro:
Textbook horrible ride.
But Still, grade 3 animals

Originally Posted by CSC

Mine That Bird drastically changed tactics in the derby, and he was a different horse. I'm not saying he is likely to be the next triple crown winner, but I do think it is worth noting that perhaps he was ridden for the first time in his career the way he wants to be ridden. In retrospect, I went back and looked at his last 3 races and I think most would agree he was ridden rather peculiarly. I'm not summarily dismissing him at this point of time.

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

That come-from-the-clouds running style obviously worked to perfection in the Derby ... but it usually doesn't translate into a very high win % over the long run.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is a far greater chance he never wins another race ever than the Triple Crown. As a matter of fact I think he wont win again this year. Anywhere.

Originally Posted by Danzig

if anyone thinks the derby is a good indication of how these horses will do the rest of the year....let me bring up smarty jones' derby. a lot of people knocked the results, since only two horses ran a lick on that surface. this surface was in even worse shape.
you had one horse-ONE- who ran well. he inexplicably ran thirty-odd points better than his previous best, while everyone else was subpar. had that race been anything other than the derby, most of that field would have scratched. taking the results of that race as gospel would be a mistake imo. yes, horses can run well after maturing over the spring. but this particular win is more than that. the horse will have to win without the rest of the field clunking it up for me to think he's anything to watch for, bet on, next time out.

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wouldn't be surprised if pletcher didn't even know how to back a trailer.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Todd grew up with horses, I'm sure backing a trailer wouldn't be a problem. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kgar311

If thats the case and they knew this horse was that good then this is the greatest horse of all time. To think they had much confidence in this horse as the most freakesh horse they had ever seen to take him to Sunland stiff him twice knowing all along that all these scratches were going to happen that would allow him into the race, then know the stiff jobs wouldnt affect the horse negataively because he was that good? . Sounds too much

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Am I the only cynical one still waiting to see the final test come back on the winner's blood sample?

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Am I the only cynical one still waiting to see the final test come back on the winner's blood sample?

Originally Posted by gales0678

if the impossible/ unthinkable became reality and he came down , would POTN still be running for the triple crown or if you move up on a dq then it doesn't count?