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Scav 08-07-2006 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I think I can speak for a few of us when I say that while I may be a smart ass, I'm pretty certain I'm not yet a degenerate. Really.
Did you ever come to Chicago or what? if you did, you sure didn't talk about it

slotdirt 08-07-2006 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Did you ever come to Chicago or what? if you did, you sure didn't talk about it
I told you i was going to hold off until football season. I went to a Def Leppard concert instead.

Consolidating posts....Artie Schiller and Zapper ran after their BC triumphs. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts we'd see the same if Sun King somehow won a GI this season.

Balletto 08-07-2006 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Gander
Okay, you named 3 Slot. 3 out of how many others who get shed bound? Lots and lots. Back in the 70's and 80's it was more of a fan sport. Now as soon as you get attached to a nice horse, its wham bam, thank you maam. Whored away.
I think the biggest thing to look at is the 3 of them and Sun King have comparable pedigrees. They werent commercial enough on paper to get a free pass to KY before proving they could dance every dance.

slotdirt 08-07-2006 01:56 PM
But Artie Schiller is an El Prado, no? Sire of Borrego!

Balletto 08-07-2006 01:57 PM
And? :confused:

slotdirt 08-07-2006 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Balletto
And? :confused:
Inside joke from about nine months ago, I think.

Gander 08-07-2006 01:58 PM
I guess Skip Away and Cigars only come around once or twice a lifetime, huh? Man I miss those 2. I wasnt a huge Cigar fan but he did what horses were meant to do- RUN! And without the excuses, which kind of get old.

Sun King winning a grade 1 this year is a big if.

His chance was on Saturday and unfortunately got the wrong bob.

GREAT effort though and I wouldnt call him a hanger just yet.

Scav 08-07-2006 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I told you i was going to hold off until football season. I went to a Def Leppard concert instead.

Consolidating posts....Artie Schiller and Zapper ran after their BC triumphs. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts we'd see the same if Sun King somehow won a GI this season.
Did you get Bears tickets?

I am going to the Bears-Dolphins game on November 5th..SERIOUS implications for Scav since he wants a free box for the weekend on S2S dow at Gulfstream, and with a Bears shutout, I drink for free....Check the sports thread for all our comedy wagers.

slotdirt 08-07-2006 01:59 PM
I'll tell you what though, could Zito and Farmer send Sun King to a gaggle of GIII or GII races out there and have him pick up win after win? I think they probably could, but they're still throwing him in against the big boys. I think I can respect that.

Hoisttheflag 08-07-2006 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Correction - Horses in former British possessions in the Southern Hemisphere (Australia, New Zealand, South Africa) turn a year older on 1 August each year. In South American countries, like Argentina, Brasil, Chile, etc., they turn a year older on the more logical 1 July.

The big thing about second-half 3yos from the SH who race in NA as 4yos (Jan to June) is that they don't get any weight concession for their lack of maturity. While winning the Pimlico Special, Invasor was actually a 3yo but was carrying weight appropriate for a 4yo. By the time of the Suburban in July, he was officially 4 in both SA and US, although not actually 4. So now his official age in both hemispheres and his actual age all correspond. How Lovely.
That makes sense. My experience was with a Fastneck Rock who was in Australia.

Balletto 08-07-2006 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Inside joke from about nine months ago, I think.
Ahh, didnt know where you were going with that, champ. Looks like I came a few months to late... :o

slotdirt 08-07-2006 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Balletto
Ahh, didnt know where you were going with that, champ. Looks like I came a few months to late... :o
Long story short is that a board regular wouldn't let Borrego pass without mentioning El Prado. Now you're clued in, bud.

Downthestretch55 08-07-2006 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Balletto
Very informative. Learn something new. thanks.
Balleto,
Good to see you here.
Sumitas is a breeder, as am I. I'm also an owner.
Just to say, without a good trainer to make the pedigree a reality, it's also wasted effort.
Have you ever come across a horse or two that had a very modest pedigree that became a monster on the track? I can think of a few.
At the sales, seems to me that people spend very big bucks on pedigrees but leave out one of the most important aspects...the training it takes to make the blood prove its potential.
DTS

Balletto 08-07-2006 02:05 PM
Thanks, pretty.

Balletto 08-07-2006 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Balleto,
Good to see you here.
Sumitas is a breeder, as am I. I'm also an owner.
Just to say, without a good trainer to make the pedigree a reality, it's also wasted effort.
Have you ever come across a horse or two that had a very modest pedigree that became a monster on the track? I can think of a few.
At the sales, seems to me that people spend very big bucks on pedigrees but leave out one of the most important aspects...the training it takes to make the blood prove its potential.
DTS
I'll be the first to admit I think pedigree is only part of the equasion. You have mechanics, environment, and of course training among other things. Not down-playing any of that. Im just more well-versed from the breeding/pedigree angle. Go figure.

slotdirt 08-07-2006 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Balleto,
Good to see you here.
Sumitas is a breeder, as am I. I'm also an owner.
Just to say, without a good trainer to make the pedigree a reality, it's also wasted effort.
Have you ever come across a horse or two that had a very modest pedigree that became a monster on the track? I can think of a few.
At the sales, seems to me that people spend very big bucks on pedigrees but leave out one of the most important aspects...the training it takes to make the blood prove its potential.
DTS
That's why I love hitting the auctions, DTS.

Downthestretch55 08-07-2006 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt
That's why I love hitting the auctions, DTS.
Slot,
Are you a pin hooker?

slotdirt 08-07-2006 02:14 PM
Oh no, absolutely not. Not even in the horse business per se, though I am part of a couple partnerships. I just love seeing the animals up close and seeing how horse A is a clearly more talented horse than Horse B, yet will sell for thousands less because of how commercial a pedigree the colt or filly might have.

Balletto 08-07-2006 02:19 PM
Is it just or me or has anyone else noticed a turn in the market for better athletes over pedigree? It seems the last 3 years or so, especially at the two year old sales, its athleticism over female family and sire unless you're talking the big two, Storm Cat and Indy.

I think pedigree weighs less importance to the big buyers who are going after colts. But I know, personally, if im buying a filly, I want as much pedigree as I can afford... Do the sheiks still have harems? Sign me up.

GPK 08-07-2006 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Surprised he isn't, he has nothing else to do but sit in bed all day
*gpk yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawns.....stretches....scrat....nev er mind*

Someone call my name???

Don't be hating Scavs....it's a rough life.


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