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Scav 02-28-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
scav , come on man - look at the payouts , look at the P3 how does it come back that short no one explains that to me on any post here

aren't the ex and tri a little fishy here as well , wouldn't someone who played these numbers because 3 and 7 were their lucky numbers expect to get a better payout on these odds?

Marty, I like you, but you have been out of your mind lately.

sumitas 02-28-2009 08:57 PM

You just can't win every race .

Scav 02-28-2009 08:58 PM

All this thread needs is
 
The economy is fine

gales0678 02-28-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Marty, I like you, but you have been out of your mind lately.


listen when horse after horse you bet doesn't break , misses the break , rears in the gate you would go out of your mind too if you were playing multiple tracks and all the gate / break issues were at the same place

gales0678 02-28-2009 09:04 PM

i played GP and lost today , i played FG the other day and lost i can take the losing , i can take bad racing luck , but , it always seems to happen to me in NY that's all

blackthroatedwind 02-28-2009 09:05 PM

It's a good thing you can take losing.

Scav 02-28-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
i played GP and lost today , i played FG the other day and lost i can take the losing , i can take bad racing luck , but , it always seems to happen to me in NY that's all

Why bet it then?

AeWingnut 02-28-2009 09:14 PM

I only play 3 tracks and Aqu ain't one of them

VOL JACK 02-28-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Translation of what? :confused:

Da Hoss's jumbled up rambling, he calls a post. See Post #24

gales0678 02-28-2009 09:22 PM

well i'll leave off with a final report from the otb after r7


not a table was broken
not a chair smashed

no gurads were summoned to escort any patrons ,evey one just went back and started bashing bush again!

AeWingnut 02-28-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
well i'll leave off with a final report from the otb after r7


not a table was broken
not a chair smashed

no gurads were summoned to escort any patrons ,evey one just went back and started bashing bush again!

oh, well... I guess it is good they lost

Handicappy 02-28-2009 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
i got what he is saying the #3 was lower in the exotic pools that what he was in the win pool

and if you watch the race and don't think that a horse getting stuck in the gate , a horse ending up in the parking lot after blowing a routine turn and exotic payouts comng back short raise red flags then i guess red flags should never be raised

andy is great , he works hard as anyone in the game, he has knowledge of the game far greater than most, but the fact remains he is a NYRA employee and any opinion he gives on here (on a nyra issue)brings an inherent conflict of interest

My gawd!!! The horse that blew the turn was already explained. The horse broke a rein. Ever try to steer a horse without a rein! Fact, I was there.

The 10 sat to take a load off his feet at the wrong time. There was a long inquiry that I assume included the horse that wanted to check out the cars by the training track as well as the horse who wanted to relax a bit.

Andy explained the betting payouts well.

But it isn't just Andy as your remark regarding the horse blowing a "routine turn" suggests. You just don't want to hear it.

I get it. Everyone here complaining didn't win and therefore someone must have cheated or is engaged in a cover-up.

Signed, Not an employee of NYRA.

Coach Pants 02-28-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I can see I can't talk sanely here.

Back to just making jokes.

Making jokes here equals sanity.

sdjcom 02-28-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
well i'll leave off with a final report from the otb after r7


not a table was broken
not a chair smashed

no gurads were summoned to escort any patrons ,evey one just went back and started bashing bush again!

like i always say if your horse got bump, tripped sat down bad jockey ride, tracffic,you picked the wrong horse pretty simple get ready for tommorrow and forget it you'll never get that same money back.

Handicappy 02-28-2009 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Making jokes here equals sanity.

:tro:

gales0678 03-01-2009 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mes5107
Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

not sure if you are correct on the above, the numbers the public see are after the takeout , so the tri pool from my understanding was $196k

gales0678 03-01-2009 07:57 AM

ok guys in the ny post today:

race 7 - "lots of wierd ways to lose a race"

"as the gates opened the #10 reared up, sat down ,and appeared to be in the hands of the starter at the break, but no refund"

well i guess ed fountaine has no crediblitly either he must be watching these races with me at the local otb parlor

Danzig 03-01-2009 08:19 AM

so, they're supposed to refund when a horse rears up and sits down? how did the starter cause the problem if most of the problem seems to be the horse?

but then, i don't understand how you can ask a guy to explain, suggest meeting him to figure things out, and then tell him he has no credibility anyway. seems a bit of a puzzle there as well.

mes5107 03-01-2009 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
not sure if you are correct on the above, the numbers the public see are after the takeout , so the tri pool from my understanding was $196k

are you sure about this?

If so, then the original pool was $262,045.33. Kind of a weird number.

Anyways, the point of my post was that there was a small number of winning tickets. When you have a small number, the variance of the payout is huge. One more person who has the winning combination changes the payout by hundreds of dollars. It can go the opposite way as well.

fpsoxfan 03-01-2009 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
ok guys in the ny post today:

race 7 - "lots of wierd ways to lose a race"

"as the gates opened the #10 reared up, sat down ,and appeared to be in the hands of the starter at the break, but no refund"

well i guess ed fountaine has no crediblitly either he must be watching these races with me at the local otb parlor


Wow...a horse can rear up, sit down and be in the hands of the starter the entire time. Come on man, this has gone too far. A lot of weird things happened in this race, but in the end, you lost, I lost, and a whole bunch of other people lost. I used the 6 and 7, but never looked at the 3 until the race was over. I was not a big fan of the 2, but I thought he'd be around for at least 3rd. As far as the payouts, this happens all the time. How come people don't say much when the exacta/triple/super comes out a bit higher than the Win/Place parlay?

Andy did an excellent job of explaining all of this and Handicappy gave us his take. It's time to move on and get ready for today's card.


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