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Linny 01-12-2009 09:25 PM
Very rare, though the Phipps' bought Our Country Place who became the founder of the family that is named after exclusive places where the rich congregate. Pine Island, Resort, Country Hideaway, Matlacha Pass, Pleasant Home, Boca Grande etc.
Our Country Place may have been unraced, but they sure bought a gem.

Usually that kind of mare sells with a race record only when someone dies or if she proves a failure in the shed. Mares like Lady's Secret or Winning Colors sold because their racing owners diesd or disbursed. Of course, once they proved mortal in the shed, it was open season and there is always someone looking to "own a part of history."
The idea was that extremely good mares who are far better than their own families, rarely produce much. They are "freaks." Top mares from top families offer no guarantee (Inside Information) but are a better risk, IMO.

eajinabi 01-12-2009 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63
and that is 2009's 1rst nomination for a Nerdy Award
Noting sarcasm should be taught in school cause some people just dont get it.
I am not talking about you of course.

philcski 01-12-2009 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Linny
Azeri beats Ashado on the track but I think Ashado could be a better breeding prospect, based on her pedigree. How many outstanding mares have there been that far outraced their pedigree but that were nearly worthless in the shed. Would you rather have a WinningColors or a Personal Ensign foal? How about Lady's Secret? Gimme the PE every time, she had the class in the pedigree and on the track.

Also, when Ashado sold (in a far better market) she was a young mare, just off the track at age 4. Assuming she produces 4 foals every 5 years til about age 20, the buyer can expect 12 foals from her if he keeps her for life. Azeri (selling in a poor market) is 11, with far fewer potential foals and a slightly weaker pedigree.

If I were an egotistical jillionaire, I'd buy Azeri because I always was in awe of her and pride in owning her would mean more than price to me. As a business prospect however, Azeri has some downside at the apparent asking price.
Given my avatar I think you know who I'd choose on track but I'd agree with you, she has the better breeding prospects- especially considering Goulash's incredible produce record.

I'll be more excited for the Azeri babies, however.

citycat 01-12-2009 09:59 PM
I personally think its a hard sale to go to. There are just so many types of horses for sale. I think you really have to be organized and keep you mind on what you are there for. I went looking for a 2yr old or racing prospect and got shut out. I was hoping to get a good price on one but the ones I looked at went a little higher than I expected. At least I got some good bread pudding for lunch....

Ronnie 01-12-2009 10:29 PM
My club has a horse for sale tomorrow, hip 491, if you are interested.

https://secure.keeneland.com/sales/jan09/pdfs/491.pdf

I think the purpose of it, though, is for the majority owners to buy us out.

VOL JACK 01-13-2009 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronnie
My club has a horse for sale tomorrow, hip 491, if you are interested.

https://secure.keeneland.com/sales/jan09/pdfs/491.pdf

I think the purpose of it, though, is for the majority owners to buy us out.
This sale has opened my eyes to the number of well bred horses, that are too crippled to make it to the track.
It makes me wonder what happens to the Colts that can't make it to the track. ??

Cannon Shell 01-13-2009 09:13 AM
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Note that she's also a full sister to the winless (4/0-0-0, $2,739) 6yo Tables Turned; the 8/1-0-0 ($11.700) 8yo Flash of Fashion; unraced 4yo and 3yo Big Shoes and Fame and Fashion.

$65,000 looks like a terrific number for a Petitionville 2yo in this market considering Island Fashion appears to simply be a freak out of an otherwise totally unproductive mare.
For a Full sister to a grade 1 winner that is still quite a bargin. I didnt see her but i would gather she is not very pretty

sumitas 01-13-2009 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Linny
Because she raced through age 6 Azeri is well behind in terms of production. By this age most mares have foals at the track, even in the shed. She's 11 and has no quantifiable production record because she has no foals to race. (I think she was barren at age 7.) She could reasonably be expected to produce 4 or even 5 more foals but if the first two don't pan out, how much will you get for the ones you breed out of her.

Despite her exceptional career, right now Azeri is an 11yo mare with no production record and average breeding. Yes, she's a legend (I was a huge fan) but when it comes to dollars and cents, you have to be analytical.
I think the age thing has pretty much been dismissed . It's only an issue for the buyer for driving down the price . Age makes no difference in the quality of the foals .

freddymo 01-13-2009 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Linny
Because she raced through age 6 Azeri is well behind in terms of production. By this age most mares have foals at the track, even in the shed. She's 11 and has no quantifiable production record because she has no foals to race. (I think she was barren at age 7.) She could reasonably be expected to produce 4 or even 5 more foals but if the first two don't pan out, how much will you get for the ones you breed out of her.

Despite her exceptional career, right now Azeri is an 11yo mare with no production record and average breeding. Yes, she's a legend (I was a huge fan) but when it comes to dollars and cents, you have to be analytical.

As for those little foals, I always feel bad for babies like that. Poor little things are a few days old and standing in the sales ring after having to stand there in the January cold wondering what the he!! is going on. They are cute though. At least the buyer gets to look over the baby they are getting.
I think a 7.7mil RNA INDY is a production value record even if the colts value was inflated..

Linny 01-13-2009 11:40 AM
No difference in the quality of the foals but in the # of foals you can expect to get from her, assuming good health and an average lifespan.

Also, since Vallenzeri is not exactly bred to be a hotshot 2yo (or even an early 3yo type) it means that the potential buyer would have to wait that much longer for Azeri's strength or weakness to show. From a buyers point of view, I'd like to see a mare with a 2yo by Speightstown or other "2yo sire" because there is a greater chance that early wins by that foal make the one the mare is carrying more useful and therefor more valuable at auction.

Remember too that the market was not kind to mares like Winning Colors and Lady's Secret after their early foals were not that good. If Azeri's first 3 or 4 foals struggle at the races do you think tht her 5th (born when she's about 17) will sell for a lot of money? I don't.

freddymo 01-13-2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Linny
No difference in the quality of the foals but in the # of foals you can expect to get from her, assuming good health and an average lifespan.

Also, since Vallenzeri is not exactly bred to be a hotshot 2yo (or even an early 3yo type) it means that the potential buyer would have to wait that much longer for Azeri's strength or weakness to show. From a buyers point of view, I'd like to see a mare with a 2yo by Speightstown or other "2yo sire" because there is a greater chance that early wins by that foal make the one the mare is carrying more useful and therefor more valuable at auction.

Remember too that the market was not kind to mares like Winning Colors and Lady's Secret after their early foals were not that good. If Azeri's first 3 or 4 foals struggle at the races do you think tht her 5th (born when she's about 17) will sell for a lot of money? I don't.
Yeah I know all about Sky Beauty and the frogs she spit out but Maplejinsky and her line which is reasonably close to Sky Beauty did great work... I just hated Ashado thought she was a Pletcher chem job that never distinguished herself as anything special and i am glad the shiek has her.. She will eat well have the best medical care and hopefully never toss anything from her chemically infused body..lol

VOL JACK 01-13-2009 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
Yeah I know all about Sky Beauty and the frogs she spit out but Maplejinsky and her line which is reasonably close to Sky Beauty did great work... I just hated Ashado thought she was a Pletcher chem job that never distinguished herself as anything special and i am glad the shiek has her.. She will eat well have the best medical care and hopefully never toss anything from her chemically infused body..lol

HAHA, tell us what you really think of TAP?

freddymo 01-13-2009 12:05 PM
I think he is an awesome trainer, one of the very best...A tremendous business person who clearly dominated the sport and built an empire and super stable. I think his immense success was the product of great abilty, incredible work ethic, and the advent of some of the best chemical use in the industry. He is super smart hired the best vet's who had the best chemicals and spent millions of dollars winning tens of millions of dollars.

VOL JACK 01-13-2009 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
I think he is an awesome trainer, one of the very best...A tremendous business person who clearly dominated the sport and built an empire and super stable. I think his immense success was the product of great abilty, incredible work ethic, and the advent of some of the best chemical use in the industry. He is super smart hired the best vet's who had the best chemicals and spent millions of dollars winning tens of millions of dollars.


With other peoples money, of course.

Kasept 01-13-2009 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
I just hated Ashado..
Me too..

philcski 01-13-2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
Me too..
Me too.

freddymo 01-13-2009 01:45 PM
Ginger Punch is a close second...Although her last race or two where at least grade 1 affairs

Antitrust32 01-13-2009 01:48 PM
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Me too.

I :{>: :{>: that mare :)

GPK 01-13-2009 01:49 PM
I'm a Happy Ticket kinda guy myself:o Love that girl


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