Originally Posted by pgardn

Many people of the Jewish persuasion would tell you its a culture, more than a religion. And Jews were not the only culture persecuted by Hitler in a systematic manner. Have you read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? Its really good.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you. It's a gigantic waste of both of our times. Yes I disagree with your Holocaust assessment. Hitler persecuted the Jews because they were Jewish. That's it in a nutshell. Now, I could type 3 more sentences and try and be cute, clever and try and come off as smart, but there is no need.

I aksed you a question. It was a pretty simple quesion. You danced around and tried to be clever. It's fine.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats not the point. The fact that they were persecuted because they were JEWISH would mean that religion was inolved.

You can't seperate it...no matter how much you try to play the scholarly devil's advocate.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

What differentiated them from the others, why they were selected, is because of religious affiliation. So to say "religion" had nothing to do with it is just dumb.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Sorry to disagree, but you can separate it..and the Jews do....many factions,groups, both culturally and faith-wise.

Originally Posted by pgardn

He has not presented us with very good sources of information
with the links. But at least he puts something up.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay so you can be jewish...without being jewish?

Originally Posted by pgardn

Define religion.
Define culture.

And you are dead wrong.

They were not persecuted for WHAT THEY BELIEVED.
I thought this was the basis of religion.
I lived with a Jewish family for basically 5 years thru
middle school to high school when my mom was ill.

Reform types...

Do you even know the basic groups of Jews?
Go to Israel and make the statement you just made, and you
will get laughed out of the country. They have huge conflicts between
the ultra-orthodox religious Jews and the cultural reform Jews who dont
like this religion shoved down their throat. It even happens in this country.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay so you can be jewish...without being jewish?

Originally Posted by pgardn

Now who is acting dumb.
There are many people who call themselves Jews that
DO NOT believe what the Orthodox Jews believe. They are mostly of Eastern European decent. They dont
memorize the Tora. They may not even learn Hebrew, which imo
is much more of a cultural thing.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What does this mean? It's a good thing that he makes ridiculous claims without providing any serious backup? "At least he puts something up"? Anybody can do what he does, but most have brains and aren't that irresponsible with their words.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

sids, orthodox...beyond that i have no experience.

LOL. You are so trying to talk around it but you can't. Of course there are different types of jews just like there are different types of muslims or christians.

At the end of the day if there were a holocaust where 6 million mormons were rounded up and killed, does it really make a difference if they were killed because they believe in joseph smith or merely because they still believe in polygamy? At the end of the day, they would have all been killed because they were mormon. Religion is what defined them in the eyes of the killers.

Same with the jews.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Hey Dipstick: so you talked to Hitler and you know his thoughts, and those of his followers? CAN you do better than that?

Originally Posted by pgardn

It means I need to start reading his posts closer
(which I dont really) having never seen the holocaust post,
because there are people on this board who have a very
simplistic view of Jews and the Holocaust.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And there are many people who wear a crucifix around the neck that dont believe in the virgin mary. Again, what is your point?

And you say im acting dumb? You ar going around in a circle trying to defend an indefensible point. Good luck

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are the one who goes to the neo nazi meetings...you would be a better judge.

You tell me.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm a Holocaust expert? Interesting twist there. I love how a simple question turns into this stuff.

The Jews were persecuted for being Jewish. Hitler, IMO didn't care what they believed, he just saw them as different and a threat to his master race, because they were Jewish, so he did what he did. So, to make a statement that their religion, which is what made them different, had nothing to do with their killing is a foolish one. He wanted to do away with anyone he viewed as different, whether it be color, religion, etc.

Now, like I said, I'm not going to go back and forth. You are back to your old tricks of complaining about stuff, but then sticking yourself right in the middle of it. You were asked a simple question, that didn't require any attempt to be clever, but you couldn't give a straight answer. You're caught up in trying to come off as a clever Robin Hood. I won't waste anymore time than I already have.

Originally Posted by pgardn

There is no circle.
Dont pull that crap with me.

I am telling you Jews were not persecuted for WHAT THEY BELIEVED.
It had much more to do with who they were in Germany during this time.

So now you tell me, why were Jews persecuted?
I have an opinion, lets hear yours. Or you can opt out
and say I dont really know because I have not read or discussed
this before. Neither of us were alive at this time, so tell me what you
have learned through your research...