Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Clearly Zaftig deserves the Eclipse.

She beat Indian Blessing. Indian Blessing beat Proud Spell. Proud Spell beat Music Note.

Clearly Zaftig is better than all of them.

End of debate.

Originally Posted by Betsy

Let me be clear that I am not knocking PS in any way...nor Indian Blessing. I just don't think IB has a resume that stacks up to PS or MN. In a weaker year, yes. As somone pointed out earlier, IB will very likely get the Eclipse for female sprinter. Also, I really don't see why PS is such a lead pipe cinch unless MN wins the Distaff, but I suppose it doesn't really matter. I have no clue as to how MN will handle the synthetic, but I suspect she won't handle it well at all. That will settle the question.

Originally Posted by hrfan

Indian Blessing is already a champion, and can now rate, something she could not do earlier in the year, i think shes as good if not better then Music Note and Proud Spell, and if they faced today things could be different, especially with her clear pace advantage

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm still trying to figure out why it matters to people who gets the eclipse. This is a good debate, don't get me wrong. But the eclipse is voted on by a panel of racing "journalists", whatever that means nowadays. I suppose it's the fairest way, but take a look at the voting from last year.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...rd-voting.aspx

Now, I have no objection to any of the winners. But, can someone tell me who voted for Court Vision and Kodiak Kowboy as 2 year old male? Or Cry and Catch me as 2 year old filly? Or Lava Man and Student Council as older male? Or Take D'Tour as older female? I could go on and on. I understand wanting to win the award, I'm sure it's nice to put in the trophy case. I just don't get why it would be important to someone with no connection to the horse. But, I also don't get why people fixate on a sire, so maybe it's me.

Originally Posted by hockey2315

she's a very good sprinter but would have very little chance against those two right now going long. . .

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't know whether indian blessing could beat them or not, but i don't think that is how you're supposed to vote anyway-based on who would win a race. i think it's supposed to go to the most dominate horse in their division from spring til fall. indian blessing certainly fits the bill, and now has taken on older horses with success.
look back at azeri for example-there was no dominant male all year, but i'd imagine most would say street cry would have beaten her head to head. but he didn't dominate all year, and she did.

Originally Posted by Betsy

this thread has taken an unfortunate turn. Thanks for your responses, but I am sorry I even asked the question.

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Really? What's so bad about it? Seems more civil than most threads on here to me. . .

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. . . I was responding to PG's claim that Indian Blessing could beat the other two going longer now that she can rate.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Since PS doesn't seem to like synthetic, I'm going out on a limb here and say she's going to be hard pressed to beat Zenyatta in the distaff. That almost rules her out for the Eclipse.

Music Note, while not as good a resume this year, is helped by PS losing today. She's an unknown on synthetic, but AP Indy seems to do okay on the fake stuff. Still, will she beat Zenyatta?

Indian Blessing looked just okay in winning over the synthetic, but at least she did win. I don't see any Zenyatta caliber horses in either sprint race, so who knows.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I actually didn't have you in mind when I mentioned the sire thing. I was thinking more of the guy who was hung up on Golden Missile. And the guy who spends his nights looking for progeny of Giant's Causeway.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

She won the Silverbulletday, a Grade 3, at Fair Grounds. The Davona Dale is run at Gulfstream.

Indian Blessing has won two Grade 1's,.....

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

The Prioress is a totally bogus G1, and the Test is questionable, too. And, yes, classic-distance animals will ALWAYS have the advantage over sprinters because that is the what being a Thoroughbred is all about - having the speed AND the stamina to keep going to win at a distance of ground in the best races. Pure sprinters, however talented, are lacking an important element in their makeup.