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Antitrust32 09-18-2008 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's pretty funny when McCain says things that even the batshit crazy Republicans on here can't defend.

Good thing we have people like Jim around to remind us about lipstick and pigs. That's clearly more relevant to who would better serve the American people than unimaginably stupid quotes like "the fundamentals of our economy are strong."

Lori, the richest of the rich have gotten a complete free ride under Bush, and enough's enough. Making wealthy people wealthier is the only thing the Bush administration has consistently stood for, and look at where we are economically. The average salary in America has gone down over $2,000. Guess not enough is "trickling down," eh? Cry me a river about billionaires having to pay an extra couple percent more in taxes, we need an administration that has the average American's interests in mind foremost.


How does paying more taxes make you more patriotic? That is the question i want to know!

I also feel that Obama tax plan will most hurt the people trying to create new jobs for us. How will that help the economy?

geeker2 09-18-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
when's the election..next week?

omg..it's 7 freakin weeks away...good lord

Prediction: By Nov 1 everyone will have everyone on iggy so no one will be reading anything from anyone and Steve will have bounced two people because someone is going postal by then


Iggy or not GBBob and I are having a beer at BC..there are somethings more important than this election!!!!!

And if anyone else who wants to join our clause..you can get involved and buy us a beer at BC. You rich folk need to start looking out for those of us that want to appear less fortunate.

..and I don't drink that lite sh^t ! Premium Beer's only !!

SniperSB23 09-18-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
How does paying more taxes make you more patriotic? That is the question i want to know!

I also feel that Obama tax plan will most hurt the people trying to create new jobs for us. How will that help the economy?

We are in a huge deficit and need to reduce it. That means taking in more money and spending less. The best way to do that is by rolling back Bush's tax cut to the wealthy which has done nothing but hurt the economy. So paying more taxes helps reduce the deficit and in turn make the American dollar worth more. Isn't helping your country the patriotic thing to do?

Sometimes I wonder if people even understand the tax structure in this country. I can't believe how many times I've read someone say that now they will pay 50 to 60% of their income on taxes. It's a graduated tax system. On the first $250,000 they will get charged the exact same amount of taxes as people making $249,999. It is only the income over $249,999 that will get taxed at a higher rate and it isn't 50 or 60%.

GBBob 09-18-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
Iggy or not GBBob and I are having a beer at BC..there are somethings more important than this election!!!!!

And if anyone else who wants to join our clause..you can get involved and buy us a beer at BC. You rich folk need to start looking out for those of us that want to appear less fortunate.

..and I don't drink that lite sh^t ! Premium Beer's only !!

you'll have Schlitz and like it...after the first 9 you'll never know the difference

Antitrust32 09-18-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
We are in a huge deficit and need to reduce it. That means taking in more money and spending less. The best way to do that is by rolling back Bush's tax cut to the wealthy which has done nothing but hurt the economy. So paying more taxes helps reduce the deficit and in turn make the American dollar worth more. Isn't helping your country the patriotic thing to do?

Sometimes I wonder if people even understand the tax structure in this country. I can't believe how many times I've read someone say that now they will pay 50 to 60% of their income on taxes. It's a graduated tax system. On the first $250,000 they will get charged the exact same amount of taxes as people making $249,999. It is only the income over $249,999 that will get taxed at a higher rate and it isn't 50 or 60%.


I completely understand how the tax structure works. I got into an discussion with a lady I work with, who is close to 50 years old!! who said she didnt want to get a raise because she'd go to a higher tax bracket and actually end up with less $$.. I was like.. you realize you get taxed a certain $ of your first 7,500.. than a higher % for the next amount up to x amount of dollars, etc.

Its not like if you make 59k you are taxed 25% Of all.. then you make 60k and you get taxed 33% of all! I couldnt believe she didnt know that after how many years of doing her taxes?

as far as the bolded part... Democrats have always been great at spending less :rolleyes: (and I'm not including G-Dub in the Repub spot cause he spends just at bad as a dem- and pissed off a lot of Repubs doing it)

TheSpyder 09-18-2008 02:18 PM

This is interesting....if it's accurate we spend more on military than the rest of the world combined, oy!

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

SniperSB23 09-18-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I completely understand how the tax structure works. I got into an discussion with a lady I work with, who is close to 50 years old!! who said she didnt want to get a raise because she'd go to a higher tax bracket and actually end up with less $$.. I was like.. you realize you get taxed a certain $ of your first 7,500.. than a higher % for the next amount up to x amount of dollars, etc.

Its not like if you make 59k you are taxed 25% Of all.. then you make 60k and you get taxed 33% of all! I couldnt believe she didnt know that after how many years of doing her taxes?

as far as the bolded part... Democrats have always been great at spending less :rolleyes: (and I'm not including G-Dub in the Repub spot cause he spends just at bad as a dem- and pissed off a lot of Repubs doing it)

Yeah, those people just kill me, amazing how many of them are out there too.

I can't see McCain as President being anymore fiscally responsible than Bush. I at least think there is a chance Obama will be.

geeker2 09-18-2008 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
you'll have Schlitz and like it...after the first 9 you'll never know the difference


I am not sure I can drink that elitist stuff :rolleyes:

Mike 09-18-2008 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
McCains comments were directed at the American workers, whom McCain says are the backbone of the economy, and that the American workers are productive and resilient. McCain knows there are huge problems on Wall Street (which if anyone says is GW's fault I think I'd have to put you on Permanent IGGY cause cant let you people dumb me down).

Dala is twisting his words just as ArlJim twisted Obama's "my Muslim faith" words. and how people twisted Obama's Lipstick on Pig reference.

Now what Biden says.. comparing paying more taxes to being patriotic. I cant give an excuse on that its just plain dumb.

Antitrust, McCain sure as hell was not referring to the American workers when he asserted that the fundamentals of the U.S. economy were strong. That was his so-so attempt to explain away his gaffe. Don't you hate it when pols fall back on the ole' "U.S. workers are the hardest working and most ingenius" crap when they're scrambling for cover

Mike 09-18-2008 02:55 PM

And, McCain's Spain gaffe ? Is he getting feeble minded?

SniperSB23 09-18-2008 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike
And, McCain's Spain gaffe ? Is he getting feeble minded?

Getting? For all the things McCain is (many of which are admirable), intelligent is not one of them.

Danzig 09-18-2008 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
We are in a huge deficit and need to reduce it. That means taking in more money and spending less. The best way to do that is by rolling back Bush's tax cut to the wealthy which has done nothing but hurt the economy. So paying more taxes helps reduce the deficit and in turn make the American dollar worth more. Isn't helping your country the patriotic thing to do?

Sometimes I wonder if people even understand the tax structure in this country. I can't believe how many times I've read someone say that now they will pay 50 to 60% of their income on taxes. It's a graduated tax system. On the first $250,000 they will get charged the exact same amount of taxes as people making $249,999. It is only the income over $249,999 that will get taxed at a higher rate and it isn't 50 or 60%.

neither candidates plan reduces the deficit. paying more taxes generally results in the govt spending more money they haven't got--sort of like most people.

Danzig 09-18-2008 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's pretty funny when McCain says things that even the batshit crazy Republicans on here can't defend.

Good thing we have people like Jim around to remind us about lipstick and pigs. That's clearly more relevant to who would better serve the American people than unimaginably stupid quotes like "the fundamentals of our economy are strong."

Lori, the richest of the rich have gotten a complete free ride under Bush, and enough's enough. Making wealthy people wealthier is the only thing the Bush administration has consistently stood for, and look at where we are economically. The average salary in America has gone down over $2,000. Guess not enough is "trickling down," eh? Cry me a river about billionaires having to pay an extra couple percent more in taxes, we need an administration that has the average American's interests in mind foremost.

from fact check:

Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush

Payson Dave 09-18-2008 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
from fact check:

Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush

extremely important to note though that the price of mooseburgers have held steady the past 8 years

Danzig 09-18-2008 07:37 PM

i remember when people said a guy from arkansas couldn't be a good president...he was from arkinsaw for crying out loud. where sarah palin is from, and how big a population there is in alaska, has nothing to do with whether she'd make a good vp or not. or a good president for that matter, if it came to that.
youth, inexperience-now those might keep her from succeeding.

ArlJim78 09-18-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Dala is twisting his words just as ArlJim twisted Obama's "my Muslim faith" words. and how people twisted Obama's Lipstick on Pig reference.

how did i twist his words? i quoted what he said and asked why is this guy considered to be so bright if he gets his religion wrong.

ArlJim78 09-18-2008 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's pretty funny when McCain says things that even the batshit crazy Republicans on here can't defend.

Good thing we have people like Jim around to remind us about lipstick and pigs. That's clearly more relevant to who would better serve the American people than unimaginably stupid quotes like "the fundamentals of our economy are strong."

i'm no economic expert, but i don't think the statement that the fundamentals are strong is outrageous. we do have strong fundamentals. do we have a big issues facing us now, yes.
poor choice of words by McCain on black monday, certainly.

speaking of who would serve the American people better, McCain was a leader trying to get Fannie/Freddie reformed for some time. where was Obama? well he was so busy lining his pockets with lobbyist money from Fannie/Freddie, he didn't have time to get involved or to have an opinion. of course he counts the disgraced leaders of these institutions as close advisors, what a shocker.

on the bright side, I understand that any day BO might actually take a stand on the AIG bailout, so far his position is that he isn't second guessing the decision, but not supporting it either. thats like one of his famous "present" votes. first he has to learn that the name of the company is American International Group, and not American Insurance Group.

timmgirvan 09-18-2008 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Most of my stuff is a set up. Like I said, I'm just curious what your thoughts are about it.

Well, I think it was gonna be a hell of a Presidency, and then alot of things happened that were beyond Bushs' control. Before you start foaming at the mouth, I'm not too happy with Republicans either. It seems since Bubba ran the country, everything,every idea, every thought has to be 'floated out there' to see if it flies. Republicans are doing the same thing, but don't have the inward courage they used to, back in the day. Everything is gray now, which I think is wrong, and potentially Dangerous to this society. Bush is a nice guy,I think. I'd love to visit the guy on his ranch with his wife, just kickin back. Pretty much every administration has its' Bert Lances or Travelgates and the like....pretty much none like Bubbas' though. His brilliant 10.6 bil surplus projection that the media scarfed up like the dogs they are was borne on the backs of the Intelligence and Defense Budgets that were decimated for the future. Why would Bubba care about those Depts?..he didn't pay attention to them when they were needed...so screw the future,huh? With what he let get away to the Chinese and others,who needs security?
Anyway, I remember hoping that Hildebeast would somehow not get the nomination, cuz she has too much baggage, and lo and behold Nobama the empty suit is posed(I mean poised) start his pilgrimage to 'rule the world' now,
but I don't think he'll get the office. Surely someone will notice that the Emperor has no clothes(and no original thoughts) So that's it for this edition..not as funny as Scavs adventures for the last few days, but reality nonetheless;)

timmgirvan 09-18-2008 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
i'm no economic expert, but i don't think the statement that the fundamentals are strong is outrageous. we do have strong fundamentals. do we have a big issues facing us now, yes.
poor choice of words by McCain on black monday, certainly.

speaking of who would serve the American people better, McCain was a leader trying to get Fannie/Freddie reformed for some time. where was Obama? well he was so busy lining his pockets with lobbyist money from Fannie/Freddie, he didn't have time to get involved or to have an opinion. of course he counts the disgraced leaders of these institutions as close advisors, what a shocker.

on the bright side, I understand that any day BO might actually take a stand on the AIG bailout, so far his position is that he isn't second guessing the decision, but not supporting it either. thats like one of his famous "present" votes. first he has to learn that the name of the company is American International Group, and not American Insurance Group.

You mean he's going to be PRESENT,right?:D


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