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ArlJim78 09-01-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He seemingly wasnt right physically. A month ago he was at a clinic getting checked out for a mystery ailment.

what does that mean, seemingly wasn't right? and what exactly is a mystery ailment?

Cannon Shell 09-01-2008 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
what does that mean, seemingly wasn't right? and what exactly is a mystery ailment?

He was finished before he hit the turn and was much further back than simply an off race and was sent to the clinic because they thought something was wrong with him 4 weeks ago. They couldnt determine the source of the problem but there was certainly an issue to have sent him. McLaughlin was very open about it. Remember that Rags to Riches was given a thumbs up by new Bolton center right before she broke down. There is rarely such a thing as just an off day without some kind of physical issue however minor.

Cannon Shell 09-01-2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't suppose it's possible Curlin had an off day with some minor physical issue?

If he had been shipped to a clinic in the past month to look for an issue it would be more likely. I would also doubt that he would run unless 100% given the amount of **** that would be throw Assmussens way if he were to break down.

ArlJim78 09-01-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He was finished before he hit the turn and was much further back than simply an off race and was sent to the clinic because they thought something was wrong with him 4 weeks ago. They couldnt determine the source of the problem but there was certainly an issue to have sent him. McLaughlin was very open about it. Remember that Rags to Riches was given a thumbs up by new Bolton center right before she broke down. There is rarely such a thing as just an off day without some kind of physical issue however minor.

perhaps there was a physical issue, but he is also not proven out to be able to run that fast and sustain it through the second turn. either way, i won't be playing him any time soon.

Cannon Shell 09-01-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
perhaps there was a physical issue, but he is also not proven out to be able to run that fast and sustain it through the second turn. either way, i won't be playing him any time soon.

He won the Met Mile where they went much faster fractions, I'm sure if the second turn or distance were the issue he would have made it further than six furlongs before stopping so badly. Why is it so implausable that he has some kind of physical issue especially considering that his recent past?

ArlJim78 09-01-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He won the Met Mile where they went much faster fractions, I'm sure if the second turn or distance were the issue he would have made it further than six furlongs before stopping so badly. Why is it so implausable that he has some kind of physical issue especially considering that his recent past?

yeah you're right. a mystery illness is the only possible explanation. case closed.

SentToStud 09-01-2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
yeah you're right. a mystery illness is the only possible explanation. case closed.

ASide from mystery ailment or going bad during the race, the only other explanation is he got classed down real bad by running inside Curlin for a half. That's possible I guess. But DP is a pretty nice horse. They don't generally quit that bad that early unless there's a reason.

Reminded me of Daheer in the Donn this year.

Cannon Shell 09-01-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
It just comes off a bit hypocritical that you defend Divine Park's performance. Trust me, I believe you that he has and probably still has physical issues. But on the other hand are not even open to the possibility that Curlin's somewhat subpar performance, in which he still won the race, could be explained by him not being 100%. Add to it your personal connection to Devine Park.

Where is there a defense? He missed a month of works and was sent to a clinic to get checked out. In his next start he gets beat 25 lengths. This is a defense? It looks to me to be logical that something was amiss instaed of blaming the distance which is a whole 220 yards further than his grade 1 win. If Curlin wasnt 100% I'm sure we would have heard about it.

Cannon Shell 09-01-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
yeah you're right. a mystery illness is the only possible explanation. case closed.

Yeah your right, he was 25 lengths short of his best distance

Cannon Shell 09-01-2008 03:52 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/96423.html

Divine Park, the Metropolitan Handicap winner, is also nominated to the Whitney, but trainer Kiaran McLaughlin said Wednesday that he is leaning toward waiting for the Woodward on Aug. 30.

McLaughlin said he would make a final decision after Divine Park works this weekend.

"We're probably going to go to the Woodward, but he if he works 47, 59, 1:12 he might go in the Whitney," McLaughlin said.

Divine Park has only worked once since beating Commentator in the Met. He was sent to the Mid-Atlantic Equine Clinic earlier this week for a bone scan that didn't reveal any abnormalities
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McLaughlin said Divine Park had missed a couple of works following the Met Mile and had taken a little bit longer than usual to warm up prior to his morning training. McLaughlin said Divine Park was to arrive in Saratoga on Wednesday and train regularly up to the Woodward.




Then he gets beat by 25. And I'm am the one promoting shaky theories?

SentToStud 09-01-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Divine Park has only worked once since beating Commentator in the Met. He was sent to the Mid And I'm am the one promoting shaky theories?

I may no longer reply to some of your posts. That sickle n hammer deal is intimidating.

Cannon Shell 09-01-2008 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I never said anything about the distance. I agree something was wrong with DP. My point is, you are excusing his poor performance. Yet, in your eyes there is no excuse for Curlin's effort, albeit a winning one, because he is a star and there was nothing in the press before the race about him not being 100%. Because as we all know, there are no secrets in this game and everything is reported as is. :rolleyes:

I think it is ridiclous to compare the two. I am sure that I know more about what is going on with Divine Park, Curlin, etc than the press or 99.9% of the public or even the backside. There are lots of things that I know about both horses and a lot of other things that you wont see printed or said yet I can't make a lot of those things public out of respect of the sources. Your insinuation that I am giving DP a break yet I am picking on Curlin because of my affilation with one is not only insulting it is idiotic. I said that I didn't think that Curlins race was very special which seemingly was obvious. I also pointed out that DP has had unresolved issues recently which seemed like a likely source of his poor race. Where anything personal comes out of it is beyond me. Arl Jim is the one who dismissed DP as unable to go two turns or the distance and seemed somehow insulted that I pointed out that he more than likely had a physical problem.

BTW- if Curlin DID have an issue coming out of the race it would not be shocking...

GBBob 09-01-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Ahh, pulling the insider card. Nice. Sorry if I offended you Chuck as it was clearly not my intention. However, please don't insult my intelligence and act like you would be defending DP if you didn't have some connection to him. That was my point.

Come on Hoss'...if your opinion and CS's opinion don't match you can't blame him because he may be an "insider"....of course he has more info than we do and I think Chuck has proven that he doesn't post from his heart.

And yes..I'm obviously biased

ELA 09-01-2008 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
It just comes off a bit hypocritical that you defend Divine Park's performance. Trust me, I believe you that he has and probably still has physical issues. But on the other hand are not even open to the possibility that Curlin's somewhat subpar performance, in which he still won the race, could be explained by him not being 100%. Add to it your personal connection to Devine Park.

I won't speak to the "personal connection" aspect, but I do see your point. However, be that as it may, do you not really see the difference between the two? While the personal connection might cloud one person's judgement, that can cut both ways.

I see the two in completely different ways. I too wouldn't be shocked if Curlin came out of the race with "something" but that's neither here nor there.

Eric

Cannon Shell 09-01-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Ahh, pulling the insider card. Nice. Sorry if I offended you Chuck as it was clearly not my intention. However, please don't insult my intelligence and act like you would be defending DP if you didn't have some connection to him. That was my point.

Please display your intellegence and show us where pointing out that a horse most likely has physical issues is a defense. Do you think I care what you and jim think about the horse or any horse? What difference would it make to anyone? Point out one occasion where I have ever touted this horse or said anything overly positive about him. All I did was point out the FACT that the horse has had some issues that have led to the PUBLIC acknowledgement that he visited a clinic because of those issues which were unresolved. A career worst performance following that visit surely would make such a sharp racing mind like yours to put 2 and 2 together and conclude that perhaps something is still amiss. However i was mistaken as you are convinced that I personally am trying to defend the horse using this information in some crazy theory. You know who I am yet I have no idea who you are but you feel it is your right to make insinuations followed by backhanded apologies like the one above. Being an "insider" is hardly a bad thing and if you can't understand that knowing things that aren't privy to the public doesnt make me any better than anyone else but it does give me a far greater pool of information to form opinions on then the problem is yours.


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