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2Hot4TV 07-08-2008 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I'm also looking for Nakatani to wake up from his 8 month coma.

Dont count on it. Nak can ride, but his mounts cant run. I think he has changed agents 12 times in 10 years.

2Hot4TV 07-08-2008 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
The guy goes thru stock like a hot knife thru butter..

He did learn that from D.W.Lukas.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-08-2008 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
in purses, but I think you knew that.

So, he has made about a million so far? Anybody find it a lil sick that Andruw Jones has made about 7 times that while doing practically nothing for the 1st 6 months of the year?

declansharbor 07-08-2008 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Dont count on it. Nak can ride, but his mounts cant run. I think he has changed agents 12 times in 10 years.

He was on fire at Del Mar last year. My phonebet account can attest to that. He came into that meet not so hot either if I can remember correctly.

Bobby Fischer 07-08-2008 06:50 PM

seemed a little like Nak was better on dirt, with the way he likes to ride.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-08-2008 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
seemed a little like Nak was better on dirt, with the way he likes to ride.

Unreliable turf rider. He is gunna take the rail, and if he gets through ,then great, and if he doesn't, then he will try it again in the next turf race. So, remember that when you're picking singles horizontally. This guy has needed to win some races,and so he has. I mean he is the jockey equivalent of a blue collar worker chain-smoking, and watching the clock to see when he can get the hell home.

ELA 07-08-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Does anyone seriously think he is leaving because he just aint making the money out east? This is strictly a family, comfort of living move. I am sure he can clear 10 million a year out east with or without pletcher having a great year, how is he doing so far this year with pletcher down?

Aside from the $10m number, that's it -- period. Gomez is not going out there because it's easier. He's not going out there for prestige. He can go out there because he wants to and it won't affect his business in a negative way. He's not really a riding title kind of guy, he's more a leading money winner jock kind of guy. Did the Pletcher factor come into play? Maybe yes, maybe no. Does riding for Baffert appear to offer a great opportunity right now? Doesn't look that way.

Family, lifestyle, comfort, whatever you want to call it. He made this move because he wanted to, not because he had to.

Bottom line -- this guy can go anywhere he wants and he'll be a top jock.

Eric

ALostTexan 07-08-2008 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Rillito is closing?

All indications are that the 2009 season, which will run for 6 weeks (Sat and Sunday only) will be the last. The county has already drawn up all of the plans to demolish the track to make 'room' for more soccer fields, although the net land gain will be pretty small. Typical Tucson short-sightedness, in my opinion, as the goal is to attract some major soccer tournaments, and the land around Rillito really isn't congruent to all that is needed for major tournaments, such as some sort of freeway access, hotels, close dining, etc.

Really sad that one of the great small tracks, which still boasts attendance figures of over 10,000 during the meet, is going to be demolished like it is nothing.

Sorry for a little thread-jacking...

dalakhani 07-09-2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
i beg to differ, you have 1 good rider out there.... Bejarano (and Baze if you wanna count No Cal), and even he (Bejarano) came from back east. The only reason why Rosario Dawson is 2nd in the standings is b/c he competes against the Baze twins, John Court and Joe Talamo.

It will be interesting too see how much Gomez takes away from Bejarano's mounts at Del Mar, Frankel likes them both so.....

as for Rosario... i'd rather have Channing Hill and a coke any day of the week

-bt-

Have you watched Rosario ride? Even McCarron said last weekend that Rosario is the next great So Cal rider. I think that is a heck of a compliment coming from one of the all time great riders ANYWHERE.

Rosario can ride any type of horse on any surface from any part of the track. He is fearless and can race ride with the best of them. What are your knocks against him?

-BT- 07-09-2008 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Have you watched Rosario ride? Even McCarron said last weekend that Rosario is the next great So Cal rider. I think that is a heck of a compliment coming from one of the all time great riders ANYWHERE.

Rosario can ride any type of horse on any surface from any part of the track. He is fearless and can race ride with the best of them. What are your knocks against him?


watch him ride a chalk...... then get back to me. He still makes stupid mistakes, and just b/c McCarron says he's the next "great one in so cal" doesn't mean he's automatically the goods. The colony out there sucks and he's 2nd to Bejarano by like 30 wins. A lot of people said Talamo was the next great one as well.................... cricket


-bt-

dalakhani 07-09-2008 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
watch him ride a chalk...... then get back to me. He still makes stupid mistakes, and just b/c McCarron says he's the next "great one in so cal" doesn't mean he's automatically the goods. The colony out there sucks and he's 2nd to Bejarano by like 30 wins. A lot of people said Talamo was the next great one as well.................... cricket


-bt-

i dont remember those comments about Talamo. As a matter of fact, i dont remember those comments about anyone in the last few years.

i dont judge riders by how many wins they are behind the leader. I judge them on what i see during the race and what i see is a kid who can do it all.

He cant ride chalk? blahhhhhhh. i want to see stats on that. Do you have stats on that? I look at ROI. What is your ROI betting flat on Rosario during the last meet? And he cant ride?

-BT- 07-09-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I judge them on what i see during the race and what i see is a kid who can do it all.
?

probably the most overstated opinion of the year and we're only in July. Do you actually watch the races out west?

-bt-

CSC 07-09-2008 12:27 PM

Really I haven't seen anyone riding today that will make us forget Jerry Bailey, love him or hate him he was a great rider in all the aspects of race riding.

Ie. Judging pace, riding on turf, sprints, routes, applying pace pressure on horses and having just enough in the tank to hold off closers coming from behind....and finally the intangibles as in having the innate abilty to see how a race unfolds before the gates are even open. These other guys have a long ways to go from what I have seen to match the guys of the recent past...ie..Stevens, Pincay, Eddie D, Mccarron, and Bailey...

SCUDSBROTHER 07-09-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
i dont remember those comments about Talamo. As a matter of fact, i dont remember those comments about anyone in the last few years.

i dont judge riders by how many wins they are behind the leader. I judge them on what i see during the race and what i see is a kid who can do it all.

He cant ride chalk? blahhhhhhh. i want to see stats on that. Do you have stats on that? I look at ROI. What is your ROI betting flat on Rosario during the last meet? And he cant ride?

ROI MUST BE PRETTY GOOD. I'm not playing him on chalk though. I mean if I like his chalk horse, there is no way I am gunna single it. I'll use, but no singling. People gunna do what they will, but I don't trust that guy on chalk. I agree what's important is what you see, and it isn't always good(what I see when he is riding the chalk.) Stats are stats, and what you see....you see. On the price horses, I love what I see. On some of the rides on chalk, I just don't trust his efforts.

Cannon Shell 07-09-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
All indications are that the 2009 season, which will run for 6 weeks (Sat and Sunday only) will be the last. The county has already drawn up all of the plans to demolish the track to make 'room' for more soccer fields, although the net land gain will be pretty small. Typical Tucson short-sightedness, in my opinion, as the goal is to attract some major soccer tournaments, and the land around Rillito really isn't congruent to all that is needed for major tournaments, such as some sort of freeway access, hotels, close dining, etc.

Really sad that one of the great small tracks, which still boasts attendance figures of over 10,000 during the meet, is going to be demolished like it is nothing.

Sorry for a little thread-jacking...

That sucks. I bet Martial Law in the Big Cap at Rillito the year he won and it took them about 20 minutes to round enough money to pay me. Cool little track.

dalakhani 07-09-2008 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
probably the most overstated opinion of the year and we're only in July. Do you actually watch the races out west?

-bt-

Yes, I watch the west coast races regularly. Which angle do you want? The valdivia/ellis angle off the layoff? Espninoza/monteleone on the dropper? potts/mullins on the jumper? Or do you want me to go back a little bit to pincay/spawr?

If you dont think he can ride, thats fine. I can keep getting prices on him.

-BT- 07-10-2008 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Yes, I watch the west coast races regularly. Which angle do you want? The valdivia/ellis angle off the layoff? Espninoza/monteleone on the dropper? potts/mullins on the jumper? Or do you want me to go back a little bit to pincay/spawr?

If you dont think he can ride, thats fine. I can keep getting prices on him.


and i encourage you to "get your prices" on him, b/c i surely can not. He is not trusted on horses he's supposed win with, ala chalk. Baffert has been using him a lot and i still would not take him over half the people out there in that colony of jocks. His ROI is awsome b/c he brings in bushleaguers half the time, just watch how OVER CONFIDENT he rides on horses he's supposed to win on....... to early to call if this cat is the goods, the hollywood meet is the weakest of the 3 out there, if he holds his weight at del mar my opinion might be different, but until then i'm not gonna crown him the next golden child

-bt-

dalakhani 07-10-2008 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
and i encourage you to "get your prices" on him, b/c i surely can not. He is not trusted on horses he's supposed win with, ala chalk. Baffert has been using him a lot and i still would not take him over half the people out there in that colony of jocks. His ROI is awsome b/c he brings in bushleaguers half the time, just watch how OVER CONFIDENT he rides on horses he's supposed to win on....... to early to call if this cat is the goods, the hollywood meet is the weakest of the 3 out there, if he holds his weight at del mar my opinion might be different, but until then i'm not gonna crown him the next golden child

-bt-

Baffert has used Roasrio 12 times all year through saturday and 9 times at the current meet. Is that a lot?

And Rosario rode Del Mar last year and was respectable. Had the second highest ROI and won close to 10%. This year he will actually get some horses to ride.

But hey, I wouldnt let stats get in the way of your opinion.

sumitas 07-10-2008 01:25 AM

I hope you will survive this crisis.

-BT- 07-10-2008 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Baffert has used Roasrio 12 times all year through saturday and 9 times at the current meet. Is that a lot?

And Rosario rode Del Mar last year and was respectable. Had the second highest ROI and won close to 10%. This year he will actually get some horses to ride.

But hey, I wouldnt let stats get in the way of your opinion.


is that all you look is ROI? How about glancing at wins there buster... unless you put your 2 WPS every time he's on something.

By the way your Rosario stats are blazing me, please show me more show me more:rolleyes:

-bt-


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