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Danzig 06-23-2008 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I'm not so sure about that. . .

i would call freaking something out of the ordinary. i thought everyone recognized that soft turf would help sailors cap immensely? he benefitted from his course. now, if he wins like gangbusters over a course not quite to his liking, that would be freakish. a fish in water is not a freak, a fish out of water but winning is.

hockey2315 06-23-2008 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
i would call freaking something out of the ordinary. i thought everyone recognized that soft turf would help sailors cap immensely? he benefitted from his course. now, if he wins like gangbusters over a course not quite to his liking, that would be freakish. a fish in water is not a freak, a fish out of water but winning is.

I don't get this. . .

pgardn 06-23-2008 07:54 PM

Whats wrong with making random decisions about figures on a certain race that are supposedly meaningless?

jcs11204 06-23-2008 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Whats wrong with making random decisions about figures on a certain race that are supposedly meaningless?

why is it meaningless ? because it was wet ?

pgardn 06-23-2008 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
why is it meaningless ? because it was wet ?

I thought I read in an earlier post that the "quantification" of what kind of race the horses ran on a wet turf race was meaningless.

ateamstupid 06-23-2008 08:17 PM

The figure is meaningless for more reasons than just the turf being wet.

pgardn 06-23-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
The figure is meaningless for more reasons than just the turf being wet.

So if you got a meaningless figure for whatever reason(s) it really does not matter how you adjust it. Its meaningless. Or we are trying to make a meaningless number meaningful? a bit confused.

ateamstupid 06-23-2008 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
So if you got a meaningless figure for whatever reason(s) it really does not matter how you adjust it. Its meaningless. Or we are trying to make a meaningless number meaningful? a bit confused.

I don't really care one way or another, I'm just wondering why it's so low in relation to a similar race (Pays to Dream in the Dixie).

Danzig 06-23-2008 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I don't get this. . .

what do you mean? sailors cap likes soft turf. he got soft turf, and ran his race. how is that 'freaking'? now, had he lost, and say....any other horse won by open daylight, that would have been freakish!

Kasept 06-24-2008 08:08 AM

SINGSPIEL S.(G3)

Jun 22, Woodbine, 1 1/2 Miles, Turf, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$150,000

1 - MISSION APPROVED 4.25-1 BEYER: 97
Previous three Beyers: 78-95-88
T: Gary C. Contessa (658-100 .15) J: Ramon Dominguez (1-1 .100)

2 - Rahy's Attorney 3.40-1 BEYER: 94
Previous three Beyers: 101-69-96
T: Ian Black (49-9 .18) J: Slade Callaghan (118-14 .11)

3 - Dubai Gold 43.45-1 BEYER: 84
Previous three Beyers: 78-80-71
T: Alec Fehr (61-8 .13) J: David Clark (188-20 .10)

ALSO RAN: Benz Boy(82), Colorful Judgement(81), Pellegrino-BRZ(78), It's Like This(77), Marchfield(67), My Imperial Dancer(52), Shillelagh Slew(40), Mike Fox(38), Tap Show(37).

FRACTIONS: 50.41 1:15.28 1:40.37 2:05.66 2:30.63

OTHER ROUTES, TURF:
Race 10 (MdnSplWt, 3+, 1 1/16) 23.42 47.10 1:12.03 1:37.13 1:43.66

slotdirt 06-24-2008 08:09 AM

Man, Ramon had a busy weekend.

Kasept 06-24-2008 08:14 AM

SCOTTS HIGHLANDER S.(G3)

Jun 22, Woodbine, 6 Furlongs, Turf, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$200,000

1 - HEROS REWARD 1.15-1 BEYER: 102
Previous three Beyers: 96-95-103
T: Dale Capuano (254-63 .24) J: Javier Castellano (494-83 .16)

2 - The Great Caruso 14.55-1 BEYER: 100
Previous three Beyers: 99-86-66
T: Malcolm Pierce (114-24 .21) J: Patrick Husbands (299-47 .15)

3 - Wollemi Pine 8.05-1 BEYER: 95
Previous three Beyers: 94-93-62
T: Ian Black (49-9 .18) J: Emma-Jayne Wilson (297-35 .11)

ALSO RAN: Indian Ashton(91), Quietly Mine(87), Awesome Action(86), Unusual Suspect(81), Gantu(78), Santana Strings(72).

FRACTIONS: 22.52 44.56 55.76 1:08.02

Kasept 06-24-2008 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
Man, Ramon had a busy weekend.

P/U mount when Coa got hurt...

slotdirt 06-24-2008 08:22 AM

Just saying, my man was in Delaware for Fabulous Strike's comebacker, shuttled down to Charles Town for a nightcap on Saturday night, then was up in Canada to hustle home Mission Approved. I'd want a nap after that schedule.

philcski 06-24-2008 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Just saying, my man was in Delaware for Fabulous Strike's comebacker, shuttled down to Charles Town for a nightcap on Saturday night, then was up in Canada to hustle home Mission Approved. I'd want a nap after that schedule.

Did a great job up there. Check the fractions... :25's all the way around, perfect for a mile and a half race.

Kasept 06-24-2008 08:52 AM

Complete List
 
Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures from last week's stakes races:

*Scotts Highlander (WO): Heros Reward (D. Capuano/J. Castellano) - 102
*Charles Town Dash (CT): Joey P. (B. Perkins Jr./T. Dunkelberger) - 102

*Vincent A. Moscarelli Memorial (Del): Fabulous Strike (T. Beattie/R. Dominguez) - 101
*Temperence Hill (LaD): Greeley's Conquest (G. Thomas/Q. Hamilton) - 100
*New York (Bel): Mauralakana - Fr (C. Clement/K. Desormeaux) - 100

*Sambacarioca (Crc): Annabill (M. Wolfson/J. Santiago) - 98
*All Along (Cnl): Lady Digby (H. Motion/J. Rose) - 97
*Yankee Victor (Bel): Merchant Marine (H. Jerkens/C. Velasquez) - 97
*Singspiel (WO): Mission Approved (G. Contessa/R. Dominguez) - 97
*Lord Juban (Crc): Thunder Louie (E. Plesa Jr./J. Leyva) - 97
*Mike Lee (Bel): Tin Cup Chalice (M. Lecesse/P. Rodriguez) - 97
*Presidentialaffair (PID): Whistle Pig (A. Carter/E. King Jr.) - 96
*Black Tie Affair (AP): Gentleman Chester (R. Nicks/J. Campbell) - 95
*Work the Crowd (GG): Bellsblade (S. Miyadi/C. Martinez) - 94
*Academy Award (Bel): Distorted Reality (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) - 94
*Colonial Turf Cup (Cnl): Sailor's Cap (J. Toner/A. Garcia) - 93
*Buckland (Cnl): Smart and Fancy (A. Dutrow/E. Prado) - 93
*Hill 'n' Dale Farms (WO): Bear Now (R. Baker/J. Baird) - 92
*Blue Sparkler (Mth): Coli Bear (B. Levine/J. Lezcano) - 92
*Red Legend (CT): Devereux (S. Asmussen/L. Sterling Jr.) - 92
*White Oak (AP): Mighty Rule (C. Janks/J. Graham) - 92
*Queen's Plate (WO): Not Bourbon (R. Attfield/J. Jones) - 92
*Cinema (Hol): Tiz West (R. Mandella/V. Espinoza) - 92
*Golden Sylvia (Mnr): Adhrhythm (M. Scherer/R. Feliciano) - 91
*Dearly Precious (Mth): J Z Warrior (W. Mott/J. Bravo) - 91
*Eight Thirty (Del): Wheels Up At Noon (P. Fout/J. Rose) - 91
*Cozy Lace (PID): Extra Sexy Psychic (M. Trombetta/K. Carmouche) - 90
*Les Mackin (Yav): Nosir (J. Guerra/V. Guerra) - 90
*Tattling (WO): Tell It as It Is (J. Smith/E. Wilson) - 90

*Charlie Barley (WO): Marlang (D. England/R. Dos Ramos) - 89
*Little Treasure (LaD): Love to Tell (M. Burgess/L. Taylor) - 88
*Old Nelson (Cnl): Midwatch (R. Jenkins/J. Castellano) - 88
*Springfield (AP): Amazing Results (C. Block/R. Douglas) - 87
*Possibly Perfect (AP): Barbette (S. Hobby/R. Douglas) - 87
*Anderson Fowler (Mth): Chitoz (T. Pletcher/J. Bravo) - 87
*Pair of Deuces (LaD): Lone Star Special (D. Pish/Q. Hamilton) - 86
*J. William (Bill) Petro Memorial (Tdn): Pay the Man (M. Feliciano/A. Ramgeet) - 86
*Malvern Rose (PID): Mac N Mayo (J. Rogers/S. Spieth) - 85
*Isaac Murphy (AP): Magnetic Miss (J. Broussard/E. Fires) - 84
*West Virginia Sprint Derby (CT): So So (J. McKee/P. Nicol Jr.) - 84
*Free Spirits (Rui): Going Wild (B. Hone/A. Castanon) - 82
*Journal (NP): Inuit Fisher (D. Saunders/Q. Welch) - 82
*Lincoln Heritage (AP): Lady Lionel (M. Yanez/J. Alvarado) - 82
*CTHS Sales (Hst): Dancing Allstar (T. Jordan/M. Gutierrez) - 81
*Willy Wank (PID): Delaware River (W. Campbell/R. Fogelsonger) - 80


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