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Cajungator26 04-03-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Your redneck ass better run and hide

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

I'm good at redneck speak, what can ah say?

asudevil 04-03-2008 10:49 PM

Coast Guard
 
In a shocker.......

2Hot4TV 04-05-2008 10:37 AM

I just noticed that Coast Guard replaced Gyrder with Joe Tala-blows ( everybodys super star last year) and Polonious dropped Jon Court for Victor Espinoza.

When Derby fever sets in you find out who your friends really are.

Gander 04-05-2008 10:40 AM

I see no reason Bob Black Jack cant wire this group. Nobody is in his league in the early speed dept and he knows no other way of running. This horse is a lot better than most give credit. I like his chances in here today and will stand against both favorites (Col John & Malo).

Bobby Fischer 04-05-2008 11:02 AM

The honest pace could hurt actually hurt El Gato Malo. Sometimes a horse with big distance limitations can get 9 furlongs with a slow pace, but when they have to cruise a little faster, they feel the distance. The public will tend to say that a pace would be to his advantage because of his running style. Small edge, and a dangerous one to back.

The Turf miler Yankee Bravo is kind of lukewarm here.

Polonious is interesting. He may have to rate just off the lead today. Seems to have a chance, and is the best of the pace.

Colonel John is the class here, but even he isn't untouchable. Still has to be the most likely winner. For the sake of the crop John needs to win with a strong effort. Polonious is a turf horse and El Gato shouldn't go more than 7furlongs on the dirt. John is the only thing still worth sending to the Derby.

Meetingwithdestiny could possibly plod into something minor.

pgardn 04-05-2008 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Colonel John is the class here, but even he isn't untouchable. Still has to be the most likely winner. For the sake of the crop John needs to win with a strong effort. Polonious is a turf horse and El Gato shouldn't go more than 7furlongs on the dirt. John is the only thing still worth sending to the Derby.

I dont see how one can separate Col. John and El Gato right now, especially based on their last race. What indicates at this point that Col. John is superior to El Gato Malo?

Bobby Fischer 04-05-2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I dont see how one can separate Col. John and El Gato right now, especially based on their last race. What indicates at this point that Col. John is superior to El Gato Malo?

El Gato Malo has the lack of stamina in his pedigree, most importantly in his female family. The pace of the race and the synthetic surface were the only reasons that El Gato Malo was able to run a quality 9 furlongs in a competitive graded race.

My hunch is that the slow pace in the last race was relatively important. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe El Gato Malo can run in a faster paced 9 furlong synthetic race and not flatten out. It is a tough subjective call. I am not keying against him, only observing.

King Glorious 04-05-2008 12:15 PM

El Gato Malo
Surf Cat

Thunder Gulch 04-05-2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I love the way Polonius looked in his maiden breaker and in the Pasadena. Anxious to see how his form will be on the synthetic, but I love the way he moves. Obvious class test, but he will be on my ticket.

Thinking the same thing. The works surely give some confidence he'll make the surface switch at a nice price.

AeWingnut 04-05-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
El Gato Malo has the lack of stamina in his pedigree, most importantly in his female family. The pace of the race and the synthetic surface were the only reasons that El Gato Malo was able to run a quality 9 furlongs in a competitive graded race.

My hunch is that the slow pace in the last race was relatively important. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe El Gato Malo can run in a faster paced 9 furlong synthetic race and not flatten out. It is a tough subjective call. I am not keying against him, only observing.


I agree his pedigree suggests (to you & me anyway) that the distance should be a problem.

Playing against El Gato Malo.

Mike 04-05-2008 03:55 PM

I'm also with Polonius, expecting him to be on the lead after the demise of Bob Black Jack, who seems to have proven class limitations. So much for the 10-1 odds, as several here are on him

cowgirlintexas 04-05-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil
In a shocker.......

I'm thinkin' same thing... Keepin' my fingers crossed. "Mamma needs a new pair of shoes" :D

2Hot4TV 04-05-2008 04:53 PM

I find it had to believe that Yankee Bravo was wobbling like a short horse going to the wire. You cant trust anything coming off the synthetic track at Santa Anita and going to the Kentucky Derby.

cowgirlintexas 04-05-2008 04:57 PM

dang....Coast Guard almost pulled it off... :(

wac 04-05-2008 05:02 PM

Well now i have a problem b/c colonel john could not have looked more impressive and although he looks big(is he?) it seems like he has a pretty good ability to get through traffic. While im not thrilled w the trainer the horse did look good. Now what the heck am i gonna do with him on KD day??I have him in the 1st pool of futrue bet so i guess it would be dumb to bet him to win right??

Cajungator26 04-05-2008 05:03 PM

Everybody toss Colonel John. He's my Derby horse and I want good odds on him on May 3rd. :D

2Hot4TV 04-05-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
dang....Coast Guard almost pulled it off... :(

No thats Bob Black Jack almost pulled it off and with the earning from his 2ond place finish he's in the Derby.

geeker2 04-05-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
I just noticed that Coast Guard replaced Gyrder with Joe Tala-blows ( everybodys super star last year) and Polonious dropped Jon Court for Victor Espinoza.

When Derby fever sets in you find out who your friends really are.


For the record...the trainer said they wanted Court to re-ride, but he was comitted on another horse and they had no choice but to seek someone else (Victor). Court's horse got hurt and he was available, but they were comitted to Victor.

prudery 04-05-2008 05:21 PM

Colonel John won this one powerfully like a Derby contender should ... Juxtapose this race's ending with the wobbling finale to the Wood ...
I am glad, however that War Pass erased the musings that he was War Emblem revisited, as he was pressed on the lead, and pressed at the end and showed heart .... I do not see him getting an extra furlong comfortably, but he earned respect from me and almost continued his winning ways ...
Colonel John as all the commentators mentioned, galloped out strongly after that finish ...

sumitas 04-05-2008 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery
Colonel John won this one powerfully like a Derby contender should ... Juxtapose this race's ending with the wobbling finale to the Wood ...
I am glad, however that War Pass erased the musings that he was War Emblem revisited, as he was pressed on the lead, and pressed at the end and showed heart .... I do not see him getting an extra furlong comfortably, but he earned respect from me and almost continued his winning ways ...
Colonel John as all the commentators mentioned, galloped out strongly after that finish ...

And Harty and Nakatani both said the poly to dirt angle does not apply. They are confident the switch is a non factor.


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