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dylbert 01-10-2008 11:02 PM

Several suggestions that friends have successfully used to argue speeding tickets:

1) request continuance -- most tickets written by specific trooper have predetermined court date. Trooper will be there. With continuance, it is unlikely that trooper will get new date.

2) contest equipment & trooper training -- has equipment been properly maintained, has it been CALIBRATED by qualified facility, and has trooper had training and continuing education to properly use equipment.

3) calibration can work in your favor, too. If it shows slower speed, you may have been travelling within speed limit. If it shows less than 2 percent variance, you can argue that radar equipment is faulty. With faulty equipment, another tactic that I would suggest is -- do any of your local TV stations have an "on your side" reporter. This could invalidate every ticket written using that equipment. Law enforcement would not want to face that evidence in court or on the air.

Main advice is don't let law enforcement intimitate you. They protect and serve us the public. In the end, you may SMILE.

I respect job that law enforcement does and appreciate their service; however, overzealous and uneven traffic enforcement is both unfair and unjust. In Louisiana, we have local sheriff departments patrolling rural interstate highways to fill their coffers while these same parishes have rampant drug problems -- usually meth and/or crack. Get these drugs out of community and solve some of the social ills they attract and perpetuate.

SuffolkGirl 01-11-2008 07:40 AM

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/radar-detector1.htm


The former California Patrol Officer, as already mentioned, has given you the best advice. I've attached a link about radar - specifically related to your case is the fact that the patrol car was moving so that speed must be taken into consideration and perhaps there was a miscalculation....

Good luck and don't let them intimidate you.

Scav 01-25-2008 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merasmag
was wondering how this all worked out for ya

I second this, now Sharon has me curious

AeWingnut 01-25-2008 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merasmag
he just doesn't want to say i was right, and if i was wrong, that's ok, i won my case this morning...boy is that lawyer PISSED!:)


what is the difference between a dead skunk in the road and a dead lawyer in the road?
There's skid marks before the skunk.

What do you call 10,000 dead lawyers?
A nice start

anyway... I get pulled over because my name ends in a vowel

golfer 01-25-2008 08:56 PM

Not to speak for Bigs, but the wheels of justice are known to move slowly, probably not much has happened yet.

Indian Charlie 01-26-2008 02:52 AM

This won't do you any good for the upcoming date in court, but man, you gotta get yourself a high quality radar detector! I don't care if I'm going 1 MPH under the speed limit, if I hear that baby scream at me, I slowwww down.

Your case reminds me of this instance a few years ago in New Hampshire. I was driving up the turnpike and as I approached the Rochester Toll booth (going North), I picked up the troopers radar from a bit more than 3/4's of a mile away.

I was, at the time I picked the radar up, going about 60-65 MPH but immediately slowed down and coasted towards the toll. The cop, a known and hated over-compensating masculine female trooper, was parked facing traffic just in front of the toll booths. I'd say about 100 yards away from the tolls.

As I hit the 35 MPH limit toll approach zone, I was already under 20 MPH. I passed the cop and she immediately flipped on her lights and turned around. I went through the toll and then pulled over as she signaled to me that it was my time to pay the speeding tax.

She comes up to my car and tells me that I was going 61 MPH in a 35 MPH zone, a mere 100 yards in front of the toll booth, in the RAIN!!

I found out a short time later that anything exceeding 25 MPH over the speed limit there is considered a more severe speeding infraction (felony??)!!

So, I do some research online before my court date and found some interesting information that conveyed to me that it is basically illegal for troopers to park in front of toll booths to target motorists.

The judge, of course, has never heard such nonsense (I printed out copies for him and the cop) and while stating my evidence, the cop actually interrupted me and mocked me for finding 'stuff on the Internet'.

Not only did I present this information, but I also commented on the likelihood of me going 61 mph in the rain 100 yards before I had to stop and pay a toll, all the while already knowing about the radar being used three quarters of a mile away.

The judge found me guilty, but did say that he agreed with me about probably not going 61, so he marked my ticket down to 58.

Yippeee.

As I was leaving the court, the cop timidly approaches me and asked for the information I had presented in my 'trial'. I gave it to her, though I felt like telling her that her hair bun was so tight that it looked like her forehead was going to break through her skin.

Anyways, that was three years ago and to this day, I have not seen one cop parked out in front of the toll booth. It used to be a regular occurrencence.

My point? That maybe you can't win your fight, but you might be able to make a change for the better!

Oh, and I also read that for a radar ticket to be valid, they need to clock you from within around a 1/4 mile! At least in NH/ME they do. You may want to check into that.

Bigsmc 01-26-2008 06:47 AM

I get my court date next week.

Bigsmc 01-26-2008 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
That maybe you can't win your fight, but you might be able to make a change for the better!

That would be fine by me.

I don't have radar detector because I never drive fast enough to get a ticket (or so I thought). I have 107k miles on my vehicle in just under three years. I log a lot of miles each week and see a ton of cops. I've never had a problem until this guy says I'm going 15mph faster than I actually was.

Mortimer 01-26-2008 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
If it makes you feel any better, my purse was stolen and now someone is trying to steal my identity. Hurray. :(


Sorry to hear about you getting a ticket, Bigs. No way I'd just pay the ticket. (This is coming from someone who has already been to traffic school 3 times, lol.)


Now that's desperation.

Danzig 01-26-2008 10:01 AM

tony went to the da yesterday, as court was set for a day he was working graveyards. got the ticket changed to a non moving violation. also got the fine reduced by about $75. still ridiculous, but it'll have to do!

good luck bigs with yours.

Mortimer 01-26-2008 11:57 AM

What a thread...





...ya just can't buy stuff like this.









Bum murder raps is next.



I can't wait.

Danzig 01-26-2008 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer
What a thread...





...ya just can't buy stuff like this.









Bum murder raps is next.



I can't wait.

hey, i HAVE AN ALIBI!!
and a good lawyer.

Mortimer 01-26-2008 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
hey, i HAVE AN ALIBI!!
and a good lawyer.



May I suggest a different fitting...or new delivery system?




I mean when the same thing keeps breaking...........


...ya foller?

Danzig 01-26-2008 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer
May I suggest a different fitting...or new delivery system?




I mean when the same thing keeps breaking...........


...ya foller?

the problem is vibration..every time the pump kicks on, it'll rattle the pipe--it's about 200 feet down, a lot of pipe shaking and shimmying. but yeah, we're trying to locate some schedule 80, rather than going back to the same fitting. it's the third time in 10 years that it's broken, so it's not happening often. just a pain when it does happen.
especially considering i feel like crap with a cold, it's about 38 degrees, and raining.

Mortimer 01-26-2008 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
the problem is vibration..every time the pump kicks on, it'll rattle the pipe--it's about 200 feet down, a lot of pipe shaking and shimmying. but yeah, we're trying to locate some schedule 80, rather than going back to the same fitting. it's the third time in 10 years that it's broken, so it's not happening often. just a pain when it does happen.
especially considering i feel like crap with a cold, it's about 38 degrees, and raining.

Are you telling me...are YOU telling ME you've been using sched. 40??






What's the matter with that imbecile Trolly?

Danzig 01-26-2008 01:04 PM

when we did it before, we replaced with what was there. but i asked him today if there was something better to use, since the problem keeps recurring in the exact same spot. neither one of us had a well before buying this house, so we're novices at that sort of thing. so he asked at the hardware store...they suggested 80, but of course they don't carry it.

and it's saturday. so good luck finding a place that does carry it.

happened last time on a wknd too. what luck.


oh, and i'm going to tell him you called him an imbecile. you're gonnnnnnaaaa geeeeet it....


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