No I didn't see your location, so yes I can see why it wouldn't be news there. But you jumped the gun on your facts, and this is a U.S. based board.

I do somewhat see your point and I MORE than know the realities of this sport, some of us get attached, why it upsets people I really don't understand.
I like many horses from 5k claimers to the most famous. I feel bad every time one is lost.

Someone posted in Angels Lost in the Fog died a year ago, so people do remember and do miss them.

Probably this discussion belongs in Angels, but it ended up here. Ignore it or read it.

I'm glad someone does an Angels thread and retirements, from time to time I can go see what happened to a horse I haven't heard of in a while. Those threads often have the answers.

Jumping someone for taking the time to do that I don't see the point, or I dont see why it would bother anyone.

The part that irritates me is that I am on another forum and the thread started off talking about the stakes races they were going to have at that track that day. But when I wanted to talk about the actual races, especially the feature race and the track, nobody wanted to talk about it. They were all focused on the death of this horse. As DaHoss and CMOrioles have expressed, this happens regularly. I admittedly am not a big fan of horses and I don't get the same emotional attatchments that some have but it just bothers me a little when I can't even get any discussion on the races on a racing forum.

I've told her plenty of times that if she's going to feel this way about every single horse, she's going to cry herself out of the game really fast. It's not a bad thing to have that compassion for the animals. There is a part of me that wishes that I had more. But at the same time, if u are going to stay involved in this game, even as a fan, u have to develop a thicker skin because this stuff will happen all the time. Most racing fans that have been around for awhile are going to have the attitude that u have seen on here. We're like "ok, it happened, let's move on." And then when there is a thread about each one everytime it happens, well I can see the irritation. It doesn't irritate me but I can see how it could bother some.

For the record, I think she's great. She's new and she's enthusiastic about the sport and she puts her heart all the way into it. It's not all about the numbers and the tickets cashed and the grade one horses. For her, the $5k claimer at Yvapai is as important as the Derby winner and I hope she doesn't get discouraged by the reaction to this thread.

my 'it' was the the type of thread in general, not super frolic in particular. i had no problem whatsoever with this thread.
as for whether everyone knew, well i don't know. but i do know an earlier thread was posted saying he had broken down.

no dahoss, not at all...i know by putting in different points, someone might think i was talking about them...i was talking about stonegossards post regarding winning his bet. i thought his post was callous. i have posted threads when a better known horse has passed, as not everyone reads the different sites, and may not realize. i don't cry about horses breaking down, but i do feel sadness for them. not enough to stop following the sport obviously, but it is a shame.

yeah it really takes balls to rag on someone pouring their heart out about a horse. you are way overstating the reality when you say that its unrealistic to have such emotional attachment to EVERY horse that breaks down. MMSC has the angels thread in esoteric that simply acknowledges which horses have passed on, not because there is a great emotional attachment to each one. its more as an informational thing. I also think she has made a few threads here about certain horses that were special to her. I can see someone not getting it, or not having any interest in it. what are you implying when you say you find it a tad unrealistic, that its being faked? what?
some people come at this game a different way and its not all about speed figures and trifectas

I don't think a memorial thread to Super F is anything but good. He ran a lot of races, won a good sum of money and ran against the best there was, holding his own.

If there is room for dozens of threads and thousands of posts about Bernardini, a horse who was very good for a VERY short period of time, there certainly is a place for a comment about Super Frolic.

I true pioneer in the game dies, Richard Carter, and it gets not even a handful of replies here. A friend of someone else dies, same thing, before some clown starts diverting it and making jokes. A horse dies, and now the Gestapo is out to straighten out us alleged horse haters? Something seems a little out of wack here.

As a lover of horses, catastrophic breakdowns will always bring tears to my eyes. I understand how some of you might feel about that because some of us are horse players and some of us are horse lovers. I think it was blackthroatedwind who told me that I wasn't a real bettor, and he's right. I don't suppose I ever will be, but I do think there's a place in horseracing for both kinds of people. I'm not going to look down upon those who don't feel the same way about it as I do, but understand that there are those like me (and MMSC) that feel an emotional attachment to these animals because they died doing something that WE made them do. I love this sport and won't ever stop watching it, but I still feel like we owe some kind of respect for the animals that make HORSEracing what it's all about.

I readily admit not knowing who Richard Carter is. I certainly do not know how he pioneered the sport. In fact, I never heard of him. But, may he RIP.

Tom Ainslie. I meant to add that in but forgot.

While I have respect for humans dying as well (been around my fair share of that), I think the reason some people feel more empathetic to the horses is because they are actually euthanized. The last time I checked, we weren't euthanizing humans for running in races and breaking their legs. Nevertheless, I agree that people shouldn't be making jokes on the same thread as the one you mentioned above. It shows a complete lack of respect for the dead...

RIP to Mr. Carter.

I don't really have a dog in this fight so I should probably keep my mouth shut....but here's the thing....last week a horse that I foaled and helped raise (Gruffles) died after falling over another horse at Belmont, I was sad to hear that he died as a result of a complete acident, but I didn't feel the need to start a thread about why he was so important....because he was important to me personally, and I don't require others to care about the things I care about...I think that is the whole issue in this thread....trying to make others feel the same things as one another....newsflash, it ain't gonna happen.

I'm sorry super frolic broke down, just like I am sorry when any horse breaks down, but pages and pages of fighting over whether or not we should care seems a bit excessive.

actually I thought later about your thread, and was going to use that as an example. It was obviously someone you knew and had some feeling for.
I saw your thread early on and didn't see where anyone had messed it up but I do believe it is somewhat the same as this instance. Not everyone knew about that guy so I'm sure it had different meaning to different people. those that knew him where probably touched and compelled to say something. Those that didn't know him it was more like information and its hard to feel one way or another. But it is certainly not okay for some jagoff to ruin the thread by posting some crap or to question YOUR sincerity. If someone did that to your thread then it was indeed wrong. It is the internet and you can't control what people say, but that doesn't make it right.

Most things posted are fair game for dispute, but a simple thread that someone makes telling why they liked a particular horse and felt it was good for the sport hardly seems like the type of subject that should bring people out of the woodwork to disagree.

it is simply not true that a thread like this is repetitive. it is very rare actually. the person who started the thread maintains a couple of threads that are a service for people to know when horses are lost or unaccounted for. they are repetitive by nature since this is an on going event. anyone who has spent time on here knows the names of those threads and can simply ignore them.

"As a lover of horses, catastrophic breakdowns will always bring tears to my eyes. I understand how some of you might feel about that because some of us are horse players and some of us are horse lovers. I think it was blackthroatedwind who told me that I wasn't a real bettor, and he's right. I don't suppose I ever will be, but I do think there's a place in horseracing for both kinds of people. I'm not going to look down upon those who don't feel the same way about it as I do, but understand that there are those like me (and MMSC) that feel an emotional attachment to these animals because they died doing something that WE made them do. I love this sport and won't ever stop watching it, but I still feel like we owe some kind of respect for the animals that make HORSEracing what it's all about."

Thanks so much for this well-reasoned post. As I read this thread, my blood was beginning to boil and I felt sick to my stomach at the majority of the responses. You said *exactly* what I am feeling but am too disgusted to verbalize.
Suzanne(and, YES, the breed could have used the genes of a hard-knocking horse like Super Frolic. The breed is being destroyed by the market for a faster and more precocious horse)
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no its okay to have countless pages of babble and nonsense and sarcasm about any and all subjects, but don't dare start a thread saying that you liked a horse and felt he was good for the sport. that kind of crap is totally out of bounds on here.

Not only are humans not euthanized for breaking a leg, but they CHOSE to participate in an activity which could be harmful. The horses don't have a choice. No one asked them if they'd rather be in training everyday and racing at 2 or eating grass in a big pasture.

Suzanne

Is this the PETA board?
I'm going to ask the next racehorse I see if they would like to quit racing. If they say yes, to the pasture they go. I'll rescue them myself.

Are you saying that a horse's death is more tragic than a person's death?

You clearly cant be this insane.