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Sightseek 08-29-2007 08:16 AM

Best since Bid = Ghostzapper

Thunder Gulch 08-29-2007 09:35 AM

I'll have to agree with many above...the case can certainly be made for the best in the last 25 years, but that late 70's run with Slew, Affirmed, and Bid would all rate higher on my list.

miraja2 08-29-2007 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex were the best horses in the last 30 years... it's not even close.

Rankings like this are by nature a little arbitrary so I usually don't like to say something like "You are wrong" in a discussion like this. But I will make an exception in this case. You are wrong.
I would like for you to explain to me how horses like Affirmed, Spectacular Bid, Sunday Silence, etc. etc. etc. are "not even close" to being as good as the two you mentioned. I mean I know those three aren't in the same league as the likes of Birdstone and Giacomo, but they were pretty good.

Buffymommy 08-29-2007 10:20 AM

Jeez. Cigar was a very nice horse, but the best in the last 30 years? And better than Skippy? I don't think so.

How many times did Cigar and Skippy face off? Who won?

miraja2 08-29-2007 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I think it might have been a joke.

Oh it was certainly a joke. The question is, was it an intentional or unintentional joke?
That I can't answer.

smuthg 08-29-2007 01:50 PM

[quote=Cigar is certainly not in the top five horses to have raced in the last thirty years.[/QUOTE]

Not that I put a lot of stock in the rankings, but Bloodhorse did rank Cigar as the 18th best horse of the 20th Century...

KirisClown 08-29-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Rankings like this are by nature a little arbitrary so I usually don't like to say something like "You are wrong" in a discussion like this. But I will make an exception in this case. You are wrong.
I would like for you to explain to me how horses like Affirmed, Spectacular Bid, Sunday Silence, etc. etc. etc. are "not even close" to being as good as the two you mentioned. I mean I know those three aren't in the same league as the likes of Birdstone and Giacomo, but they were pretty good.

It was a joke... If I was inept enough to believe what I posted, Id kill myself.

alysheba4 08-29-2007 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by smuthg
The last 30 years picks up Slew, Affirmed, and the Bid. Love Cigar, but don't think he could run with that crew...

I think there is a decent argument that Cigar was the best horse since the inception of the Breeders' Cup and a pretty strong argument that he's in the Top 5 since then.

.......in 1988 alysheba would have bitch slapped him.....hard.

miraja2 08-29-2007 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
It was a joke... If I was inept enough to believe what I posted, Id kill myself.

Oh....well in that case....your dry sense of humor is appreciated.

Echo Farm 08-29-2007 07:46 PM

Speakiing of Skip Away, his Florida Derby saddle cloth is on eBay

GBBob 08-29-2007 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo Farm
Speakiing of Skip Away, his Florida Derby saddle cloth is on eBay

$3500??? holy smokes

philcski 08-29-2007 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo Farm
Speakiing of Skip Away, his Florida Derby saddle cloth is on eBay

Speaking of Skip Away, the result of probably the best mare he was ever booked to (Lady's Secret) finally broke his maiden at 5, after never hitting the board in 7 previous tries, in the 8th at Del Mar. Unfortunately, despite being among the top 5 fillies of all time she was never much of a producer. Only 3 of her offspring have ever even won a race in the US.

Indian Charlie 08-29-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Speaking of Skip Away, the result of probably the best mare he was ever booked to (Lady's Secret) finally broke his maiden at 5, after never hitting the board in 7 previous tries, in the 8th at Del Mar. Unfortunately, despite being among the top 5 fillies of all time she was never much of a producer. Only 3 of her offspring have ever even won a race in the US.


much the same could be said about winning colors and open mind.

is there any connection between the 3?

Sightseek 08-29-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
much the same could be said about winning colors and open mind.

is there any connection between the 3?

hmmmmm....;)

philcski 08-29-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
much the same could be said about winning colors and open mind.

is there any connection between the 3?

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
hmmmmm....;)


I have no idea, other than several of their offspring have been sent to Japan. What am I missing?

Sightseek 08-29-2007 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I have no idea, other than several of their offspring have been sent to Japan. What am I missing?

I know you can figure out there connection!



(are we still doing Sergio's Sunday night because I'll make reservations)

Indian Charlie 08-29-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I know you can figure out there connection!



(are we still doing Sergio's Sunday night because I'll make reservations)


they were all sired by horses more known for turf!! sorta?

philcski 08-29-2007 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I know you can figure out there connection!



(are we still doing Sergio's Sunday night because I'll make reservations)

Let me talk to the one in charge!
I'm stumped! :confused:

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
they were all sired by horses more known for turf!! sorta?

Well, Caro for sure (Cozzene, With Approval, Crystal Palace, etc.) the others? I never thought of Sec or Deputy Minister as turf sires.


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