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Scav 08-20-2007 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
So....and I'm not being a dink. Do you think it was for rough/careless riding or do you honestly think the 8 had a chance to win?

8 had zero chance of winning, but the 3 knocked him off stride EARLIER in the race also, probably not enough to get DQed, but that last cut off was probably the icing on the cake.

If you notice, when Durking was explaining the DQ today, he was talking about MUCH earlier in the stretch, and not that final cut off, he did not it was 'part of it'

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
8 had zero chance of winning, but the 3 knocked him off stride EARLIER in the race also, probably not enough to get DQed, but that last cut off was probably the icing on the cake.

If you notice, when Durking was explaining the DQ today, he was talking about MUCH earlier in the stretch, and not that final cut off, he did not it was 'part of it'



That's what we all thought because that's what they were showing when Durkin was explaining it, which makes me feel even more strongly that it was an iffy DQ. There has been so much worse. This is why there needs to be a clear set of guidelines when it comes to the DQ's They should make one of the Stewards get on the track PA and explain what they saw rather than make Durkin do it. They owe it to the betting public.

Ronnie 08-20-2007 08:28 PM

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/racing/racing.home.htm


4039.10. Who may make objection.

Every objection must be made by the owner, trainer or jockey of some horse engaged in the race or by the officials of the course to the clerk of the scales or to one of the stewards, or an objection may be made by any one of the stewards.



4039.11. Objections to be in writing.

All objections except claims of interference during a race must be in writing signed by the objector.



4039.12. Leave required to withdraw objection.

An objection cannot be withdrawn without leave of the stewards.



4039.13. Liability for costs of inquiry.

All costs and expenses in relation to determining an objection or conducting an inquiry shall be paid by such person or persons and in such proportions as the stewards shall direct.



4039.14. Deposit may be forfeited.

Before considering an objection, the stewards may require a deposit of $ 25, which shall be forfeited if the objection is decided to be frivolous or vexatious.

Scav 08-20-2007 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
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That's what we all thought because that's what they were showing when Durkin was explaining it, which makes me feel even more strongly that it was an iffy DQ. There has been so much worse. This is why there needs to be a clear set of guidelines when it comes to the DQ's They should make one of the Stewards get on the track PA and explain what they saw rather than make Durkin do it. They owe it to the betting public.

I am all for the steward explaining. personally, I think there should be about 12 TOTAL stewards in the entire US. Put them on the West Coast, say Idaho or something in a room, Racign would start out there at 8 or 9am and end at midnight, have two shifts, and these people make ALL the decisions. I think this would be the only way for consistency.

ELA 08-20-2007 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
:mad: ... no way that 3 should have been takin' down. best horse in the race. I cant believe they took that down and left Lady Joanne up. Doesnt make sense.

She should have been left up -- without question in my mind.

Eric

MaTH716 08-20-2007 08:49 PM

To tell the public that they DQ'd Coa for the 2 bumps at the top of the stretch is crazy. I really believe that the horse was DQ'd because Coa was on it. IF it was Prado, JV or Gomez the case would have been that the horse was the best and he was clear, he just drifted in at the wire. The horse that ran second was ok and did not lose any placings. They would have given the jock a slap on the wrist and it would be over.

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/racing/racing.home.htm


4039.10. Who may make objection.

Every objection must be made by the owner, trainer or jockey of some horse engaged in the race or by the officials of the course to the clerk of the scales or to one of the stewards, or an objection may be made by any one of the stewards.



4039.11. Objections to be in writing.

All objections except claims of interference during a race must be in writing signed by the objector.



4039.12. Leave required to withdraw objection.

An objection cannot be withdrawn without leave of the stewards.



4039.13. Liability for costs of inquiry.

All costs and expenses in relation to determining an objection or conducting an inquiry shall be paid by such person or persons and in such proportions as the stewards shall direct.



4039.14. Deposit may be forfeited.

Before considering an objection, the stewards may require a deposit of $ 25, which shall be forfeited if the objection is decided to be frivolous or vexatious.

Interesting site. Thanks!

fpsoxfan 08-20-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Steve Crist's thoughts from his blog on drf.com, I agree 100%

---I've agreed with the stewards' decisions to leave up horses in a few borderline cases during the meet and they should have continued taking no action instead of disqualifying Victory for Sierra in Monday's fifth race. This was a case of sending a message to a jockey rather than doing the just thing.

Victory for Sierra had worn down Savasana and was past her in deep stretch when Coa, continuing needlessly to whip right handed, cut in front of the beaten Savasana, forcing her to clip heels. If the stewards want to warn, fine or suspend Coa for his overaggressiveness, fine, but don't send the message with the public's money and create an unfair official result. Victory for Sierra was best, had the race won, and Savasana was not going to miraculously rerally even if Coa had kept a straight path

Very well said.

Antitrust32 08-20-2007 09:17 PM

just read this thread again... makes me angry all over again! I want a refund! Its hard enough to pick a horse to win and have it win.. then the stewards have to fucl< with you like that!

philcski 08-20-2007 09:26 PM

That truly was the most ridiculous DQ I've ever seen, especially taken in context with what they've let stand at this meet. He was PULLING THE HORSE UP AT THE WIRE when the horse clipped heels. What a joke.

Hickory Hill Hoff 08-20-2007 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Steve Crist's thoughts from his blog on drf.com, I agree 100%

---I've agreed with the stewards' decisions to leave up horses in a few borderline cases during the meet and they should have continued taking no action instead of disqualifying Victory for Sierra in Monday's fifth race. This was a case of sending a message to a jockey rather than doing the just thing.

Victory for Sierra had worn down Savasana and was past her in deep stretch when Coa, continuing needlessly to whip right handed, cut in front of the beaten Savasana, forcing her to clip heels. If the stewards want to warn, fine or suspend Coa for his overaggressiveness, fine, but don't send the message with the public's money and create an unfair official result. Victory for Sierra was best, had the race won, and Savasana was not going to miraculously rerally even if Coa had kept a straight path

Then deal with I-bar directly instead of costing those who had a winning ticket...time for Mr.Coa to get a stern talking to by the stewards, his riding lately has been down right dangerous!

Ronnie 08-20-2007 09:50 PM

Makes you wonder if all the parking lot guys had the 8 to win on a slow Monday.

santana 08-20-2007 09:56 PM

While the 3 was easily the best.....to not take him down would have been a great message......get your spurs and boots on guys. It is now Rodeo time.

santana 08-20-2007 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
OK...no matter what you and I see can I ask you this? Why was there no jockey's Objection. Can any of you guys shed some light on this???



PROBABLY kent knew that horse was 1/5 to come down....you cant ride like a freaken cowboy out there.

ARyan 08-21-2007 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Then deal with I-bar directly instead of costing those who had a winning ticket...time for Mr.Coa to get a stern talking to by the stewards, his riding lately has been down right dangerous!

What is the point if the racing jurisdictions allow trainers and jockeys to appeal for months and months untill they want to take the suspension. If you get fined and/or suspended you should be allowed to appeal. However the appeal should take place within a reasonable amount of time (14 days should be enough, don't you think?) After that, if you are still found to be guilty, you should have to serve the days immediatly. Just my thoughts...

gamblin4ever 08-21-2007 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
What is the point if the racing jurisdictions allow trainers and jockeys to appeal for months and months untill they want to take the suspension. If you get fined and/or suspended you should be allowed to appeal. However the appeal should take place within a reasonable amount of time (14 days should be enough, don't you think?) After that, if you are still found to be guilty, you should have to serve the days immediatly. Just my thoughts...

I agree w/ the appeal in reasonable amount of time, but why can't it be within a week of the race, since most jockeys will file an appeal if they are riding in a big stakes race coming up so they can still ride. Just my opinion.

gamblin4ever 08-21-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/racing/racing.home.htm


4039.10. Who may make objection.

Every objection must be made by the owner, trainer or jockey of some horse engaged in the race or by the officials of the course to the clerk of the scales or to one of the stewards, or an objection may be made by any one of the stewards.



4039.11. Objections to be in writing.

All objections except claims of interference during a race must be in writing signed by the objector.



4039.12. Leave required to withdraw objection.

An objection cannot be withdrawn without leave of the stewards.



4039.13. Liability for costs of inquiry.

All costs and expenses in relation to determining an objection or conducting an inquiry shall be paid by such person or persons and in such proportions as the stewards shall direct.



4039.14. Deposit may be forfeited.

Before considering an objection, the stewards may require a deposit of $ 25, which shall be forfeited if the objection is decided to be frivolous or vexatious.

Thanks for the info.

Cannon Shell 08-21-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever
I agree w/ the appeal in reasonable amount of time, but why can't it be within a week of the race, since most jockeys will file an appeal if they are riding in a big stakes race coming up so they can still ride. Just my opinion.

Because often you file an injunction with a real court which takes time. Blame our legal system not the stewards as they often have their hands tied. Of course having your hands tied shouldn't effect thier vision so much...


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