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Originally Posted by pgardn

To heck with the numbers guys. She ran hard and did not quit. I am very pleasantly suprised with the EFFORT. Man I hope she is ok. She has got some speed and apparently some guts. And she gets a lot of attention.

As if we didn't extol the EFFORT at great length already. The number means a lot.

In Sumwon's race both Battaglia and Joanne Jones never mentioned her.

Now Chuck has another horse in the fifth, the eight Bens League. Battaglia picked him on top!! Joanne also.
The Simon bandwagon rolls on.

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Originally Posted by trifecta124

I am so pumped right now........She had a ton of fight left in her at the end of the race. Can't wait until she runs again.

Congrats to all!

Your first post. Atta boy Johnny..

Again. Today was just Awesome!! She looked fantastic.

Great thanks to Chuck and Steve.

Yes, thanks to Chuck and Steve. And geez...she showed a lot of heart!!! Congratulations everybody!

What agreat run by our girl!!! she never quit!
GREAT job! chuck and gang! MANY THANKS to you and steve !:D

Congratulations guys!

great job chuck. i will be on the backside wed. morning spending some time with Ian W. and would love to come by and say hello. also, Pat Strong is not on this site but wanted me to pass on congrats to you and the DT team. he will be with me wed. take care and hope to possibly see ya later this week.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The number means a lot.

Why?

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Why?

For one, it will do a lot to suggest where she could be placed. If she's got a figure in the low 60s, she could probably be dropped slightly without fear of a claim. If it's 80 or so, she's going to attract some serious attention at the claim box.

If Chuck wants to put her in a cheaper allowance, the figure is going to give a barometer of how she would compete at that level.

Your whole "forget the numbers" thing is tiresome. She was game AND she'll probably get a very fast number. They're both compliments. Why do we have to "forget the numbers"?

Based on the 4th and 7th the track looks fairly fast today. Anyone have DRF PPs to see what sort of figures Value Fund (winner of the 7th) had been running? His brisnet figures were a little higher than the fillies in the 2nd.

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

She had back figures in the high 70s, but her last three were in the mid-60s. Class drop might've boosted that today.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

She had back figures in the high 70s, but her last three were in the mid-60s. Class drop might've boosted that today.

Thanks, seems like 70-72 would be a good guess for Sumwon then.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If Chuck has to rely on a low 70 or close to 80 beyer to figure how to place her, we are in trouble. So since we must rely on the numbers ateam, surely we must know how they are calculated... so help me with this. Show me how you arrived at your Beyer number using Beyer's methods. If you got each step on how your arrived at the number it would be helpful cause I dont know. I use the numbers mainly to compare horses coming in from different tracks. Some tracks give especially high numbers, some are too low when they actually meet. I especially enjoy the numbers when a turf race is taken off to the slop of the dirt (as I have no idea how the number was arrived at). I await your detailed method.

where can i find a video of this race? funds are limited until May 5 ;)

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Originally Posted by 31lengths

where can i find a video of this race? funds are limited until May 5 ;)

Go to the Churchill Downs website and login there (if you're a CDSN online member. It's free to sign up, and you can watch any CDSN track's replays in the upper right corner of its homepage). Just select race 2, and click the little (+) sign and it will launch another window you can watch it in.

Thank you Girl...a nice $$$$$ return on a across the board bet.... and showed some fantastic Heart....I hope she came back to the barn safe and sound...and ready to battle another day !!!!

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

thanks, Brian.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Where did I suggest the bolded above? There are no scientifically accurate figures to describe something with as many variables as racing, you dont need to be scientific, I just want the recipe.
And horse that is an 8 year old running an 80 beyer v. a horse that is 2 running 60's could possibly yield very diff. market values. I would hope a claiming purchase would actually involve looking at the horse and how the horse ran(runs). And of course the market clearly involves heredity and sex...

I guess what I am saying is I am very happy with the horse's improvement and I will not be waiting anxiously for the Beyer she receives and using it to compare to her previous numbers. Maybe Chuck will. And I never stated you said it was scientific. I just want the method... the recipe. If I know how much time matters, level of competition, etc... and how much each is weighted in your number then I might be able to ascertain for myself if the number is descriptive.

ateamstupid is clearly right on this one.
pgardn, If YOU don't care what the number is - or even if you didn't care about speed figures at all - that would be fine.
His point is that since other people DO care about the numbers.....they do matter. If a horse runs a very good speed figure and you put her in a cheap claiming race in her next start, she is more likely to get claimed. That seems obvious to me. You might think that claiming a horse based on a speed figure is stupid....and maybe you're right....but other people do look at figures when deciding when to claim a horse.
Therefore the number the filly gets might be one factor - obviously not the only factor or even the main factor, but a factor nonetheless - in determining where she should go in her next start.

Great Job!! I'm looking forward to seeing her at Saratoga this summer. I'm happy for all you guys. You all must be very thrilled and proud. :)

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Has Steve sent out paperwork on the NY deal? If so, I haven't gotten it.

AWESOME JOB by Chuck and his crew. Unbelievable improvement since he has had Sumwon. Chuck is the goods.

i believe steve said after the derby he'll get started on the ny deal.