Pants, you've heard the term, "busta move"?

I think you're bustin' more'n your move here. I just don't see how you keep bustin' 'em, and getting back up. .....You sure can dance.

Really and why? (other than I know you don't really like Street Sense)

He's definitely a derby contender when you consider that Churchill has a knack for making the track a highway on big days.

I robbed a liquor store with Young MC.

Not b/c of Street Sense at all....But b/c I liked his style today, he was patient and professional and I felt there was something left at the end. He was 3 wide essentially the whole race and won from a very difficult post in a route race there...Just liked this race by Hard Spun more than that one. Just as I've liked Great Hunter's races more than this one. You just start ranking them in your mind is all....I am a Jones fan also. Would place a horse with him in a heartbeat.

The post is not a bad one at Turfway and the being 3 wide in routes is not bad either. The track plays almost opposite of a regular dirt track.

I never thought you were implying I did. I just thought nobody really did....and I can't understand Hooves's posts anyway. I'm not THAT smart.

Got ya...I guess I'm always quick to give more props to a horse who can slug it out. I wasn't really big on Saturday and although he lost it was a fantastic effort. I like Great Hunter a great deal as well and the Bluegrass is going to be a race that will hopefully bring great debate prior to it's running.

Poly should be considered a third surface primarily because; it is the third surface. Hard Spun likes a cushion. Without his developed cough he wouldn't have been in KY today. Derby hopes for him are preposterous.

There haven't been any performances to scare him off...so far.

No doubt TP poly is more fair when wide, but Hard Spun took the overland route at every point in the race---and just got the feeling he was in control from the opening bell and Pino could take it any time he wanted it....End of the day, I'm looking forward to Hard Spun's next race when I wasn't even looking forward to this one.

He got almost the same trip he got in the Oaklawn race. Everybody killed Pino then . Funny how circumstances can make the same ride either great or horrible.

I just think he was flat that day at OP for whatever reason....I'll tell you, whenever I see Jones horses at Bel or Sar, they always look muscled out. Bunch of tanks running around. And from what I could see from ESPN today, he has that look.

At Oaklawn he fired the same way he did today and hung. He did not hang today. I thought he had a lot of gunk upon scoping him at the SW. It may be the surface, but it may be the horse was fit today.

I'm just thrilled Bullara was up the track.

I think that if the Southwest was run at TP then he may have won that too.

They all have gunk when they don't fire. Or entrapped, or didn't like the track, or don't run well on cloudy days....etc....he just didn't have it that day. As i've always said, they aren't robots. The best horses have off days---except Mineshaft--LOL.

He had to be up the track...he has very limited ability. I was thrilled Twilight Meteor, who was the second choice I think, didn't run a lick. To me he was the biggest joke in the race. I don't blame them for running but from a handicapping standpoint he was a complete toss for me.

You know what I think has been happening with this, people are too quick to equate grass form with poly form....I hear from everyone that "a horse that's good on grass should love poly" and vice versa. It isn't that easy but people are betting that way....And to me the overall ability level of TM on grass wasn't much anyway.

Had he been beaten Pino would have been bashed for another 3 wide trip. The only difference is this field was a bunch of plugs, he probably could have been 5 wide and won. I dont think this enhances his chances of winning the Derby, infact I dont think hes a serious contender, however nothing else in that field was either.