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CSC 10-22-2008 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Just incase there aren't yet enough BC threads, who are you tossing?

Who is a lock?

Play nice in the sandbox kids. :D

My single is Cocoa Beach, still working on my toss list.
Sorry Miss Stormcat, I'll wait till I see the toteboard to answer that one.

One thing I will say as I posted about 6+ months ago and then 2 months ago my automatic toss will be Midnight Lute. I know he's reportedly training well... again, however given all of his problems he's a horse I can live with if he beats me a short odds.

Indian Charlie 10-22-2008 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
I think the two best singles on the Friday card are in the juvy races:
Stardom Bound in the juvy fillies, and Laragh in the juvy fillies turf.

Of horses that will probably take some money, I think Intangaroo is a toss in the Filly and Mare Sprint. She appears to be much better on the dirt than synthetics, and if the race sets up well for her in terms of pace, it will also set up well for Ventura, who I like a lot more.
I would not be stunned to see Ventura hit the board, but I would be stunned if Ventura won. That horse is gutless. Easily the toss of the 2 day card for me.

mclem0822 10-22-2008 07:11 PM
1 each thus far......
 
Lock-Zenyatta
Toss-Pyro(Though they did the smart thing staying away from the classic)

miraja2 10-22-2008 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mclem0822
Lock-Zenyatta
I know this is the conventional wisdom, but I don't really understand how anybody that watched the Spinster could think Zenyatta is a lock. She is the most likely winner to be sure, but McGaughey's mare seems like she loves two-turns on the synthetic.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2008 07:30 PM
If I had a single it would be Midnight Lute(I have 75% of my money on him.) I have cover bets. So, it's not considered a real single.

M LUTE(8/1)+ KIP DEVILLE(7/1)= 71-1
M LUTE+ W'THESCRIPT(10/1)= 98-1
M LUTE+ GOLDIKOVA(9/2)= 48.5-1

Covers:

STREET BOSS(7/2)+KIP DEVILLE+ GET FUNKY(14/1)= 539-1
STREET BOSS+W'THESCRIPT+ GET FUNKY= 741-1
STREET BOSS+GOLDIKOVA+ GET FUNKY= 370-1


FIRST DEFENCE(12/1)+KIP DEVILLE + GET FUNKY=1559-1
FIRST DEFENCE+W'THESCRIPT+ GET FUNKY=2144-1
FIRST DEFENCE+GOLDIKOVA+ GET FUNKY=1071-1

peter 10-22-2008 07:33 PM
breeder cup information and pp
 
this one is all complete you need to about the horse and post postion from equibase..

k9styl94 10-22-2008 07:39 PM
Here's a good one from trainer's only, but very good & free!!
 
http://www.horse-races.net/library/l...rformances.htm

the_fat_man 10-22-2008 07:49 PM
At some point MAYBE TRACKS will get a CLUE and start offering FREE PPS for their races. Until that happens, we'll let the trainers (and breeders) do the job for them since they have MORE money.

peter 10-22-2008 07:50 PM
breedercup p.p and information
 
http://www.equibase.com/bcup2008/oerp/08bcuptv-all.pdf

philcski 10-22-2008 08:12 PM
Toss: Munnings
Single: Skipadate

philcski 10-22-2008 08:29 PM
I also think Well Armed is a beast in the "dirt" Mile.

Bogey 10-22-2008 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by philcski
Toss: Munnings
Single: Skipadate
Phil, I agree 100% with Skipadate, he's looking more and more like my best bet of the weekend.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2008 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Really?? Stunned?? She's won 3 of 6 since coming to the US. I think you can toss the try at Churchill since speed was golden all Derby weekend long and they crawled around the track. She certainly vindicated herself a few weeks later at Belmont, a race where she had to dig down and hang on. She lost by a pimple to Diamond Diva and was second to the boys at Woodbine. She's run well on 2 different synthetic surfaces and should get plenty of pace to run at. What am i missing? Are you sure you are thinking of the right horse?
You only missed the fact she's working particularly well on the Pro-Ride. To me, both Intagaroo n' Ventura have a huge chance to win it. Seems like, every time I think something like that in the B.C., the chalk draws off to win easily.

mclem0822 10-22-2008 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by miraja2
I know this is the conventional wisdom, but I don't really understand how anybody that watched the Spinster could think Zenyatta is a lock. She is the most likely winner to be sure, but McGaughey's mare seems like she loves two-turns on the synthetic.
Great point, I loved Carriage Trail's Spinster, but I still think Zenyatta will be too much for this group.

letswastemoney 10-22-2008 09:35 PM
Zenyatta has only faced 1 or 2 good horses a race in each of her wins. She's never faced 4 or 5 good horses at the same time. It will be a test for sure....

RollerDoc 10-22-2008 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm in no hurry to bet a horse at 3-5 and will only bet the race in picks if I play, but what does this mean? Do you think another "good" horse or two in any of her races would have mattered? She has destroyed everything out there on any surface she has stepped foot on.
Zenyatta is the Big Brown of the girls it sounds like.

letswastemoney 10-22-2008 10:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm in no hurry to bet a horse at 3-5 and will only bet the race in picks if I play, but what does this mean? Do you think another "good" horse or two in any of her races would have mattered? She has destroyed everything out there on any surface she has stepped foot on.
Well yeah. It's easy to have an off day. Ginger Punch is better than what she showed at Oaklawn. Hystericalady is a few lengths slower on synth. Who else has she beat....Model? Romance is Diane? Tough Tiz's Sis? Tough Tiz's Sis did win by a lot in her next race, but then again she could have just freaked in the slop.


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