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Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
Why is it crazy?
Because the track is obviously about 3 seconds faster than a normal track and it is totally different surface.

hrfan 10-25-2008 08:13 PM
your a dam cocky joke

pba1817 10-25-2008 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
The track was freaking conveyor belt?
A "converyor belt" condition on a race track is when there is a speed favoring bias. That was not the case today....

Your analogy makes no sense.

pba1817 10-25-2008 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Because the track is obviously about 3 seconds faster than a normal track and it is totally different surface.
Are you sure it was 3 seconds faster? What is a normal track nowadays anyway??

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
A "converyor belt" condition on a race track is when there is a speed favoring bias. That was not the case today....

Your analogy makes no sense.
The conveyor belt just happened to be in the 5 path

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
Are you sure it was 3 seconds faster? What is a normal track nowadays anyway??
Not the one they ran over today or yesterday

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hrfan
your a dam cocky joke
You dont think casino Drive would make a nice rabbit or you dont believe Sheikh Mo celebrates Xmas?

pba1817 10-25-2008 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The conveyor belt just happened to be in the 5 path
Except for Curlin, right? :)

pba1817 10-25-2008 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Not the one they ran over today or yesterday
Was it a normal track earlier this year when Bob Black Jack set the 6f record?

TheSpyder 10-25-2008 08:32 PM
Thanks as I don't have days like these often.

Had a pick 3: 1 (Midnight Luke) x 2 (Conduit/Eagle Mountain) x all, so watched the Classic knowing I won no matter what happened and was happy with Ravins Pass.

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
Except for Curlin, right? :)
He had no excuses

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
Was it a normal track earlier this year when Bob Black Jack set the 6f record?
No that is a joke too. If you want to believe that the tracks at Santa Anita are normal or have any relation to what has been run over for the last 100 or so years fine. I am not a synthetic track hater either but thinking that any track or stakes records set at Santa Anita this year has much validity is silly.

Seattleallstar 10-25-2008 08:54 PM
John Murtagh=Jamie Spencer revisited
 
I don't know what it is but I thought this guy was a brillant rider, after this weekend its apparent that he might of cost alot of Coolmore horses a win. I don't know what the hell this was thinking on his rides today. They would of been better off having one of the Hefferman brothers ride first call. I hammered all of their runners and I am the one who got hammered.

letswastemoney 10-25-2008 08:57 PM
It's a third surface. How can it be compared to past SA records?

Danzig 10-25-2008 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
It's a third surface. How can it be compared to past SA records?
good question.

my big question was how do these graded races they've been having retain their status? one requirement of keeping their status is that the conditions be the same from year to year, that obviously is no longer the case on tracks with AWT surfaces.

Danzig 10-25-2008 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You dont think casino Drive would make a nice rabbit or you dont believe Sheikh Mo celebrates Xmas?
or choose C, all of the above.

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
No that is a joke too. If you want to believe that the tracks at Santa Anita are normal or have any relation to what has been run over for the last 100 or so years fine. I am not a synthetic track hater either but thinking that any track or stakes records set at Santa Anita this year has much validity is silly.
Worrying about track records or final times, is silly IMO.

Seattleallstar 10-25-2008 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
Worrying about track records or final times, is silly IMO.

yeah there are scarier things to worry about, say for instance Tony Reyes;)

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
good question.

my big question was how do these graded races they've been having retain their status? one requirement of keeping their status is that the conditions be the same from year to year, that obviously is no longer the case on tracks with AWT surfaces.
So when a track decides to re-installed its turf/sod, which numerous tracks have done over the years, should they lose their Graded status as well?

Seattleallstar 10-25-2008 09:05 PM
Curlin would get his ass handed to him by Zarkava just like Rags bitched slapped him in Belmont

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
yeah there are scarier things to worry about, say for instance Tony Reyes;)
None of my competitors scare me.... I am more scared of driving in the snow/ice.

Seattleallstar 10-25-2008 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
None of my competitors scare me.... I am more scared of driving in the snow/ice.
yikes being in Cali I thought you wouldnt have to deal with that weather hassle. So how did you make out today with the horsies

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:14 PM
I'm in Wichita KS(no OTB or tracks near here) and I will be on the road for the next 7 weeks for "work".

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
So when a track decides to re-installed its turf/sod, which numerous tracks have done over the years, should they lose their Graded status as well?
you're not seriously trying to compare replacing grass with grass, with removing dirt and installing wax, sand and rubber?

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He made the move that won most of the BC "dirt" races this year. Just wasnt good enough. Losing to Ravens Pass isnt something to be ashamed of. Getting outfinished for third by Tiago is. The last 2 races he won by small margins over weak horses were chalked up to his only doing what he had to do to win. I still believe he just isnt as great as his fans believe him to be and has been fortunate to run in the era of the worst older horses, probably ever. He is a very good horse but not in the top 50 of all time and certainly not the best of the last 25 years. Clever Trevor, by the way, would be a full fledged star nowadays.
i agree with your post in its entirety! no doubt you'll sleep better knowing that. ;)

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:23 PM
one question i have...after seeing how the classic went, how would zenyatta have handled the race?

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
you're not seriously trying to compare replacing grass with grass, with removing dirt and installing wax, sand and rubber?
I sure am..

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
And if you believe what "they" say on TV all the time, you aren't very smart. You know better than that!!

It was a bad ride, plain and simple. He sorely misjudged the pace and was out finished by 3 horses, not 1, but 3!!! Getting out finished by 1 would have been acceptable, simply a better horse, but to be out finished by 3 and Tiago as one of them.... not good at all.
i think the they was garrett gomez if i remember correctly.

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:25 PM
well, imo-which means nothing to the graded stakes committe, i don't think it's comparable. the only thing the main track has in common with the old main tracks that were real dirt is that they still aren't green.

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i agree with your post in its entirety! no doubt you'll sleep better knowing that. ;)
I rarely sleep...

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
good question.

my big question was how do these graded races they've been having retain their status? one requirement of keeping their status is that the conditions be the same from year to year, that obviously is no longer the case on tracks with AWT surfaces.
track surfaces changes dont merit a downgrade I believe

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
Worrying about track records or final times, is silly IMO.
worrying about and not recognizing arent really the same thing. If the times are so unimportant then why do we bother keeping them?

herkhorse 10-25-2008 09:42 PM
At least the times and splits were correct, and not triggered by outriders.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-25-2008 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
I'll tell you after Saturday.....:D
Pro-Ride!!!

:)

:$:

blackthroatedwind 10-25-2008 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stall Mucker
If you're talking about Crist?? Capital OTB gave him a $5000 bankroll to play the pic-6. Don't know how many people qualified but, during the week there were 200+ people that qualified. You had to be present at Teletheater to win.

OTB did not " give " Steve anything. They gave an opportunity to their good customers. Steve took advantage of it, and used his skills to make money for those customers.

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
worrying about and not recognizing arent really the same thing. If the times are so unimportant then why do we bother keeping them?
For those people who get off on seeing them...

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
track surfaces changes dont merit a downgrade I believe
i just think that if a race can lose it's graded status when a race is moved from turf to main for instance, that the argument could be made about changing from dirt to awt. it doesn't matter tho, it won't happen.

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I rarely sleep...
i can relate to that.

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
. it doesn't matter tho, it won't happen.
Exactly my point

GPK 10-25-2008 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Curlin would get his ass handed to him by Zarkava just like Rags bitched slapped him in Belmont

Jerry...I can't think of a horse in this world that Zarkava wouldn't bitch slap. She is a freak of nature.


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