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dalakhani 05-27-2009 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He guards the PG. The reasoning is clear but he does guard the PG. And there was no foul on the lob because Howard had hooked the hairy guys arm. Watch the play and stop listening to Doug Collins.

The last second play with James was and always will be a foul, especially in that situation. Not even debatable. If there is contact and the defensive player doesnt have position and impedes a path to the basket it will be a foul.

If he guards the pg, then he cant "guard" hiim because he scored 26 and rafer hasnt scored 26 since his name was still skiptomylou...and that was like 10 years ago. That doesnt seem to be getting through for some reason.

As far as the last second play, i dont think you watched it. here is the highlight about a minute in so you can see. Offensive player lowers shoulder to initiate contact and barely brushes defensive player...with .5 seconds left in defensive player's arena. Are you kidding me? Who else gets that call?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jBeG5S_NQQ

dalakhani 05-27-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
That was a great no call. It was a lob situation and both players have equal rights to the ball. It is arguable who initiated the contact (probably Verajao but it wasn't definitive) but it was 100% clear that Howard reached in and got tangled up. To call a foul on one player or the other when both are going for a lob would be as atrocious as two guys bumping into each other on a jump ball and picking one out and calling the foul on them.

I agree. I think it was a great no call. Thats not my point. My point is, you cant make that call at the other end and not make this call. WAtch the link again snipe and tell me what you think.

It was a great no call. I think there should have been one on the other end as well.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
If he guards the pg, then he cant "guard" hiim because he scored 26 and rafer hasnt scored 26 since his name was still skiptomylou...and that was like 10 years ago. That doesnt seem to be getting through for some reason.

As far as the last second play, i dont think you watched it. here is the highlight about a minute in so you can see. Offensive player lowers shoulder to initiate contact and barely brushes defensive player...with .5 seconds left in defensive player's arena. Are you kidding me? Who else gets that call?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jBeG5S_NQQ

LeBron is matched up on defensive with the PG under the defensive scheme set up by the Cavs. Simple. You claimed he wasnt or couldnt or smething else. The success of that PG is immaterial since as you have pointed out so many times that he roams on defense.

I dont see LeBron ever "lower" his shoulder until he was falling down. When there is contact and the defensive player hasnt established position, it is a foul. It was an easy call.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I agree. I think it was a great no call. Thats not my point. My point is, you cant make that call at the other end and not make this call. WAtch the link again snipe and tell me what you think.

It was a great no call. I think there should have been one on the other end as well.

what does one call have to do with another? One was a guy driving to the baskket with the ball. The other was a scrum where both players got tangled up without the ball.

dalakhani 05-27-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
LeBron is matched up on defensive with the PG under the defensive scheme set up by the Cavs. Simple. You claimed he wasnt or couldnt or smething else. The success of that PG is immaterial since as you have pointed out so many times that he roams on defense.

I dont see LeBron ever "lower" his shoulder until he was falling down. When there is contact and the defensive player hasnt established position, it is a foul. It was an easy call.

You are just being silly and stubborn now but i think its funny. Rafer scored 18 and 26 on successive nights. If lebron is lined up against the poiint, he cant cover the point so im right. If he is playing a one man zone, which you denied earlier in the thread, you were wrong again. Lebron can't guard point guards. Period. Even bad ones like Alston. Thats why as soon as he started scoring, they switched lebron off so someone could play honest defense. Rafer had 26 chuck. Rafer alston. Think about that.

If you dont see lebron lower his shoulder, then i have another link for you: www.lenscrafter.com

dalakhani 05-27-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
what does one call have to do with another? One was a guy driving to the baskket with the ball. The other was a scrum where both players got tangled up without the ball.

Both questionable contact fouls at the end of the game. It was obvious verajao rode him out. Enough for a call? No...but it was just as much a no call as the other. And if you dont get that, i cant help you cannon. Not even my saturday class can help you there.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Both questionable contact fouls at the end of the game. It was obvious verajao rode him out. Enough for a call? No...but it was just as much a no call as the other. And if you dont get that, i cant help you cannon. Not even my saturday class can help you there.

the first call was not questionable. The second one was entirely different situation and Howard locked Varejoa arm first which makes him riding him out moot.

Coach Pants 05-27-2009 07:54 PM

Cannon Shell created not only the basketball...he also created the circle. Like he was the first ever to make a circle.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
You are just being silly and stubborn now but i think its funny. Rafer scored 18 and 26 on successive nights. If lebron is lined up against the poiint, he cant cover the point so im right. If he is playing a one man zone, which you denied earlier in the thread, you were wrong again. Lebron can't guard point guards. Period. Even bad ones like Alston. Thats why as soon as he started scoring, they switched lebron off so someone could play honest defense. Rafer had 26 chuck. Rafer alston. Think about that.

If you dont see lebron lower his shoulder, then i have another link for you: www.lenscrafter.com

At what point does he lower his shoulder? When he is falling after making contact with the defensive player. It is a foul.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Cannon Shell created not only the basketball...he also created the circle. Like he was the first ever to make a circle.

so guys like you could have a circle jerk

dalakhani 05-27-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
At what point does he lower his shoulder? When he is falling after making contact with the defensive player. It is a foul.

If it were a foul, how come the other refs arent making the call? Only the back ref blew the whistle. If it were such an obvious call, where were the other refs? I realize the back ref is supposed to follow the ball, but the ref underneath the basket doesnt blow the whistle and the call was made in the paint. I know that is a little advanced for you but try to understand.

He lowered his shoulder before he brushed him and fell because there wasnt any contact. Why else did he fall forward? LOL. The call is done and there is no use deliberating over it. The statement that the call is "obvious" is just dumb.

dalakhani 05-27-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
the first call was not questionable. The second one was entirely different situation and Howard locked Varejoa arm first which makes him riding him out moot.

He rode him out with the hip and it was 50/50 on the arm. A no call, but still a foul to some degree. You just dont call it just like you dont call a block when the offensive player initiates a brush with .5 seconds left.

dalakhani 05-27-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Cannon Shell created not only the basketball...he also created the circle. Like he was the first ever to make a circle.

not enough credit. He invented wood. Basketball would be on played concrete if not for cannon shell.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
If it were a foul, how come the other refs arent making the call? Only the back ref blew the whistle. If it were such an obvious call, where were the other refs? I realize the back ref is supposed to follow the ball, but the ref underneath the basket doesnt blow the whistle and the call was made in the paint. I know that is a little advanced for you but try to understand.

He lowered his shoulder before he brushed him and fell because there wasnt any contact. Why else did he fall forward? LOL. The call is done and there is no use deliberating over it. The statement that the call is "obvious" is just dumb.

This is your new defense? The other refs didnt make the call? The ref that made the call was right there maybe 10 feet away. The other two refs are on the opposite side of the court. It was an obvious foul and the correct ref who made it. You cant trip up a guy driving to the basket and expect not to have a foul called. Stop the clip at 119 and you can clearly see Pietrus leg between James legs.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
He rode him out with the hip and it was 50/50 on the arm. A no call, but still a foul to some degree. You just dont call it just like you dont call a block when the offensive player initiates a brush with .5 seconds left.

How can it be 50/50 on the arm if one guys is on top of the others and they are going backwards? Lets ask Peegarden about the laws of physics.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
not enough credit. He invented wood. Basketball would be on played concrete if not for cannon shell.

The way you watch the game who could tell the difference. Your obvious jealousy at my obvious superior basketball intellect is unbecoming. Plus you know I would school you one on one.

Coach Pants 05-27-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
so guys like you could have a circle jerk

So what you're saying is you were getting cummed on when the circle occured?


Riiiiight.

dalakhani 05-27-2009 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
This is your new defense? The other refs didnt make the call? The ref that made the call was right there maybe 10 feet away. The other two refs are on the opposite side of the court. It was an obvious foul and the correct ref who made it. You cant trip up a guy driving to the basket and expect not to have a foul called. Stop the clip at 119 and you can clearly see Pietrus leg between James legs.

Are you blind? Good eye for horses, what happens with the roundball?

One blog's take:

James and the Cleveland Cavaliers even were saved by the referees at the end of regulation. With just seconds left in the fourth quarter James drove to his right. The stop-action video allows the viewer to see James two steps above the top of the key, dribbling with his right hand. With his left hand James attempts a stiff-arm of Michael Pietrus to clear him to his left as he begins to plant and go right with his dribble. But the stiff-arm attempt fails. James begins a dash to the right side of the lane but picks up his dribble a step before the foul line. He takes the ball, raises it with both hands and shoves his left elbow into Michael Pietrus’ chin. Pietrus grimaces as he is falling backwards. Two frames later James thinks he has planted with his left foot but in fact catches his left toe on the court and falls forward into Pietrus. James falls first. As his body is parallel with the court, there is no contact between Pietrus’ body and James’. LeBron loses the ball out of bounds. But even as the ball tumbles away James has already turned toward the official to complain.

The only contact made on the play was initiated by James and his elbow knocking Pietrus backward. Other than that, nothing of Michael Pietrus’ body touches LeBron James. NBA referees receive around $300,000 to differentiate between split-second acts like these. But in that moment it was judged that Pietrus somehow fouled the already falling James.

LeBron converted both foul shots to tie the game at 100 apiece.

One-half second of playing time later Anderson Varejao was riding up under a leaping Dwight Howard to ensure he did not receive an inbounds and lay the ball in all in one motion.

No foul was called and the game went to overtime.

pgardn 05-27-2009 08:43 PM

So we play ifs and buts,
candy and nuts.

IF Lebron James had missed that last FT
with 0.5 seconds left, Anderson V. would have
tipped it in and the game would have been over.
He was right there in perfect position.

Cannon Shell 05-27-2009 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Are you blind? Good eye for horses, what happens with the roundball?

One blog's take:

James and the Cleveland Cavaliers even were saved by the referees at the end of regulation. With just seconds left in the fourth quarter James drove to his right. The stop-action video allows the viewer to see James two steps above the top of the key, dribbling with his right hand. With his left hand James attempts a stiff-arm of Michael Pietrus to clear him to his left as he begins to plant and go right with his dribble. But the stiff-arm attempt fails. James begins a dash to the right side of the lane but picks up his dribble a step before the foul line. He takes the ball, raises it with both hands and shoves his left elbow into Michael Pietrus’ chin. Pietrus grimaces as he is falling backwards. Two frames later James thinks he has planted with his left foot but in fact catches his left toe on the court and falls forward into Pietrus. James falls first. As his body is parallel with the court, there is no contact between Pietrus’ body and James’. LeBron loses the ball out of bounds. But even as the ball tumbles away James has already turned toward the official to complain.

The only contact made on the play was initiated by James and his elbow knocking Pietrus backward. Other than that, nothing of Michael Pietrus’ body touches LeBron James. NBA referees receive around $300,000 to differentiate between split-second acts like these. But in that moment it was judged that Pietrus somehow fouled the already falling James.

LeBron converted both foul shots to tie the game at 100 apiece.

One-half second of playing time later Anderson Varejao was riding up under a leaping Dwight Howard to ensure he did not receive an inbounds and lay the ball in all in one motion.

No foul was called and the game went to overtime.

I read a blog today that is convinced the North Korea will launch a nuclear attack on South korea this December. i must have missed the above post there.

If you wrote a blog you could say the same thing and also be wrong.


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