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Suffolk Shippers 10-21-2008 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
A BC run in mud/slop on dirt or the BC run on a synthetic surface?

And this isn't a biased question....interested in which people would rather handicap, which is a better money making opportunity, and which surface is fairer.

And a dry, dirt track is not an option here.

I'm only taking this year because the turf will not be a bog and there are a few past BC years of SA/OSA turf races to draw information from to form opinions. I will be looking to make my money on the lawn this year. Last year, that was a risky option with the deluges. Too many "what if's".

Already looking forward to the BC at CD in 2010.

the_fat_man 10-21-2008 10:32 PM

POLY over DIRT anytime.

FAIR RACING over BIASED RACING.

The ironic thing about this year's BC is that any BIAS will be on the (speed favoring) TURF. Now, ThAT's (long overdue) PROGRESS.

asudevil 10-21-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
The Damascus, after the Classic.

As much as I can't stand this group of three year olds, it should be interesting seeing the return of Into Mischief, Gayego and Georgie Boy all in the same race.

2 of those 3 are glorified sprinters.

asudevil 10-21-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
POLY over DIRT anytime.

FAIR RACING over BIASED RACING.

The ironic thing about this year's BC is that any BIAS will be on the (speed favoring) TURF. Now, ThAT's (long overdue) PROGRESS.

What's your take on the Euro jockey's?

Indian Charlie 10-21-2008 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil
2 of those 3 are glorified sprinters.

It's weird than that they'd be running 7f.

asudevil 10-22-2008 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
It's weird than that they'd be running 7f.

Understood, but their connections are going to point them for the Strub series where they will show their true colors.

Merlinsky 10-22-2008 12:26 AM

Mast Track's back in

http://drf.com/news/article/99304.html

Looks like they're gonna go although I dunno if Frankel's gonna listen to his blacksmith and do a patch or not. I don't exactly know everything about feet but is there a problem with putting a patch on? Is there a reason you wouldn't want to put one on for the Breeders' Cup?

SniperSB23 10-22-2008 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asudevil
Understood, but their connections are going to point them for the Strub series where they will show their true colors.

The first race in that is a G1 at 7 furlongs, what a dumb placement that would be. :rolleyes:

SniperSB23 10-22-2008 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by odbaxter
I need help here. Is it going to play more like Poly and Tapeta (apparent advantage to closers and turf types) or is it going to play more like dirt. Who cares what it is made off? I just want to know how it will play.

Is there any chance that the track supers will adjust how it is going to play? Speed it up? Water it? I don't have any confidence playing the non grass races.

It'll play more to turf horses but I don't think it will benefit or hinder horses on the lead or closing. Like the turf the best horse on the surface that gets a good trip will win. Don't count on a lesser horse wiring the field cause it is loose on the lead like they can on dirt. In the end it plays like turf and those cheap horses get run down on turf.

Indian Charlie 10-22-2008 02:13 AM

I think Into Mischief already is destined for stud duty next year. I think they signed a deal for him.

SniperSB23 10-22-2008 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
I think Into Mischief already is destined for stud duty next year. I think they signed a deal for him.

In this economy that would be idiocy.

zippyneedsawin 10-22-2008 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
KG...

With all due respect, the 'games of chance' out is the widespread excuse for those unwilling to work at capping and playing synthetic tracks. The Oak Tree racing has been fair and formful on the dirt-lile Pro-Ride surface, and regulars of West Coast circuit play have stated they aren't even thinking there is any unusually 'unique' aspect to the oval.

I agree with KG. When I'm looking at the BC races with horses coming from real dirt and turf who are trying Pro-Ride for the first time, how does the 'formful' surface at SA help my handicapping? It's a complete roll of the dice to me.

ddthetide 10-22-2008 05:38 AM

i'd say the mud/slop and soggy turf.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-22-2008 06:31 AM

I'll tell you after Saturday.....:D

2Hot4TV 10-22-2008 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
I'll tell you after Saturday.....:D

I'll second that.

The Bid 10-22-2008 07:06 AM

The upcoming results will punch a hole in any foolishness saying good horses run on anything. I cannot wait to see some of these world beaters get smoked exclusively because of the surface.

I like what Reed Baker said. If you had a horse that had won 10 million on the dirt and you entered him in the Breeders Cup Turf, most people would think you are out of your mind. Thats essentially what all of these people shipping into California are doing. You take a shot because the money is so good, but it will be a day of upside down results. Once again the industry has made themselves look foolish, they cannot control themselves. Especially in California

I will standback and watch a day of false champions run on fake dirt. Its a true disgrace and I hope the Euros Sweep the Cushion Card, and I dont doubt they do exactly that

I will not make one wager

King Glorious 10-22-2008 07:43 AM

Slop.

peter 10-22-2008 07:47 AM

breeder cup pp
 
go to breeser cup.com and you will see all the pp.. according to group..

pointman 10-22-2008 08:13 AM

Slop

DJARUM 10-22-2008 08:14 AM

Free PP's
 
Here's a link to free BRIS PP's


http://horseracing.about.com/od/bree.../aabcpps08.htm


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