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Let's stop acting like LeBron is dishing out a million assists in these fourth quarters please. He has a Chalmers-esque five assists in three fourth quarters. Two more than Wade. He's been nonexistant on the offensive end.
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I think I get it. Passing, rebounding, and defense are not part of the game anymore. You're only good if you are scoring. Unless you're scoring too much in his case, in which he's back to being a selfish ballhog. I think we need to re-evaluate Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, and Steve Nash. I didn't realize they were no good. Also, if Wade ends up as the playoff mvp and that proves James isn't the best, I guess the same is true for Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas. You know, each of them won a championship but wasn't named playoff mvp. Imagine that.
Big deal that his nickname is King James. How is that different than Shaq or Dwight Howard being called Superman? Or Paul Pierce being The Truth? Allen Iverson being The Answer? |
Wade has said it himself. He has said it's really simple, LeBron is their closer. He said that doesn't mean always taking the shot but that they put the ball in his hands and he makes the decisions. That's what a great player does. He recognizes where the best way to take advantage of the defense is and does just that. LeBron's best play waa the pass to Bosh. Star play.
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I can't believe I'm reduced to defending LEBron, but call me crazy once again, but I pretty distinctly remember the great Michael Jordan passing to wide open Steve Kerr and John Paxson for game winning shots in the NBA finals??
Based on what I am reading I am to conclude the guy couldn't close. HE had to rely on Kerr and Paxson like James had to rely on Bosh for the game winner last night. I'm a die hard Cleveland guy, and think him ridiculous, but the guy's got serious, serious game. I guess those 4th quarters going man on Derick Rose wasn't closing either. |
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You might not be interested in the best in the world stuff, but that was what Ateam and I were talking about. No one is denying he's really, really good. I'm just saying in crunch time I want Wade taking the shot, not Lebron. So, IMO Lebron isn't the best in the world. Who cares how many basketball games you've played or what sports you follow? What does that have to do with anything? |
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He closed out the Celtics and the Bulls this year. Everyone forgets when he scored the final 25 points for Cleveland in 2007 against Detroit, how could a guy possibly do that and not be a closer? I remember when he hit the long three pointer with seconds on the clock to win another playoff game for Cleveland. Of course, sometimes he might pass it to the open player, or god forbit he actually misses a shot, but the notion that he's not a closer is insane. I do not agree with Hossy's opinion at all. Its just cherry picking because he doesnt like the guy. |
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LOL Lebron has been the MVP of the whole playoffs so far along with Dirk. why do you hate him so much? cause he went to Miami? |
2010-2011 James has been the 4th most clutch player in the nba. averaging 45.1 points per 48 mintues of clutch time. ahead of him are only kobe, rose and williams from cleveland. nowitzki ranks 8th, durant 6th, wade 24th.
2009-2010 James was the most clutch player in the nba, averaging an insane 66.1 points per 48 minutes of cluch time. Kobe was 2nd with 51.2 points, dirk 3rd with 47.2 points.. James averages almost 20 points more per 48 minutes of clutch time. Wade ranked 22nd. in 2008-2009, James was the 2nd most clutch player in the NBA, behind Kobe Bryant. Kobe averaged 56.7 points, amd james averaged 55.9 points. Wade was 4th with 49.2 points 2007-2008, James again was the most clutch basketball player in the NBA, averaging 56 points per 48 minutes of clutch time. kobe 2nd at 51.8 points, dirk 3rd with 46 points. Since 2007, LeBron and Kobe have been the two most clutch players in the NBA. The facts are in this post. Clutch is defined as 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left and neither team ahead by more than 5 points. http://82games.com/ that pretty much ends the debate. good luck debating those facts. or you can continue to cherry pick 3 games. |
I think I get it, Lebron is Zenyatta. If you don't think he's the best, you're a hater. Avoid what the people are really saying and invent your own discussions. Don't actually read what people are saying (no one said he can't close or has never been a closer, just that he isn't the closer on THIS team), just read what you want to and call people haters.
Don't dispute what people are saying, just move the goalposts to an arguement that suits your agenda and then talk about how many basketball games you've watched. Then list "facts" that have nothing to do with the discussion. How is Lebron's dancing? |
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When they need it, it's Wade taking it. When they went away from Wade in game 2, they collapsed. Coincidence? Cherry picking is what you are doing. You're not addressing what I am actually saying because you can't. |
LOL you're crazy. someone calls out your poor and biased opinion, and now I'm a Zenyatta fan? thats a heck of an arguement. you should feel proud of your debating. I'm not even a Miami Heat fan, but I dont hate LeBron like you an others do. I just see it for what it is. and check out the 2010-2011 stats I posted, Lebron is the closer for the Heat.
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you have a bad opinion when you dont think strong defense and assists is closing out games.
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and it is big time cherry picking when you hang on three games and just plain leave out the fact that Lebron was the closer on the Miami Heat team when they crushed the Celtics and Bulls. You're like a Christian, just believe what you want to believe.
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and somehow Team basketball is shying away in the clutch? geez louis, thank god you're not a coach.
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Listen, I dont care who is the best in the world. LeBron is one of the best, if not the best in the world. You guys are so sure he isnt the best player in the world.. well who would you want on your team over him? The guy does it all. He's a top 3 defender and has a top 3 offensive game in the whole league. He is very clutch and takes games over. I would bet you that if there was a draft for any player in the league, at least 25 GM's would pick LeBron first.
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Wade did not close game 3, Bosh did. Quit immortalizing what Wade did that game. He was unable to make the shot after the Mavericks finally tied it. Bosh did. Wade played fine the first 10 minutes of the 4th but come closing time he had to rely on Chris Bosh. Guy can't close at all. Why will no one address the complete wimpiness of Jordan twice being unable to close games in the finals and relying on Kerr and Paxson?
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The five best players in the NBA are James, Bryant, Wade, Dirk and Durrant. The top four can be ranked in any order (James, DWade, Dirk and Bryant)...it's silly to say any of these top four can't close. On the Heat, they also have a top 15 player in Bosh...saying this guy or that guy can't close and has to rely on Bosh is missing the point that Bosh is what he is...a top NBA player. What makes the Heat so scary is that they will have 3 closers for a long long time.
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I don't hate Lebron. I just don't think he's the best player on his team, therefore IMO he isn't the best player in the world. You keep putting words in my mouth in an effort to "win" but it isn't working. Defense and passing are huge. I'm not saying it isn't. Wade is pretty good at both also. Sorry if I don't buy into stats that have Dirk 8th best clutch player in the league. I prefer watching games. No one watching games could possibly agree Dirk is 8th. |
who do you think would be the first player taken if there was a draft of all league players?
and the stats where Dirk ranks 8th, I'd say the top 25 or 30 players on that list are very clutch. That stat is just adding up all the points in "clutch situations". So if Dirk is averaging 40 plus points in clutch situations per 48 minutes, its still pretty damn good and very clutch. The stat basically shows that LeBron has been there with more points in crunch time than Wade has this year, eventhough Wade is still a top player in the league during the final 5 minutes when there is 5 points or less seperating the teams. Though I still feel that clutch defense is as important as clutch offense. |
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Now I have a question for you. If they had an anonymous survey of NBA players and coaches and one player had to take the last shot with time winding down, where do you think Lebron would finish if it were between him, Kobe, Wade and Dirk? In regards to the stats, with Lebron "closing out" games during the regular season do you think it's ironic that is when they had so many issues. The losing streaks, players crying after games....all while Lebron was "closing out" those games. |
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and the 3rd paragraph, every season has ups and downs, so I dont find anything ironic. Especially when this is the first season the three have played together, and they have a weak bench. They still won enough games to be the #2 seed. |
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Wade Toss up between Dirk and LeBron for 3rd. That's being fair. Not a hater just don't feel he deserves the accolades. It's excessive and borderline hero worship. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYza...eature=related
This is the first game after the famous all star "freeze out" during Jordan's second year. I think sometimes we forget how incredible MJ was. I give Lebron, Magic, kobe, etc their respect but I don't know how anyone in their right mind could question whether or not MJ was the best of all time. This is just his second year and its against one of the better defensive teams in the league at the time. This is before he learned how to shoot:rolleyes: |
Jordan-Pippin-Rodman Bulls would destroy the Heat. Jordan would make LeBron cry.
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I really hate basketball.
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And you're not.
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Basketball is too busy looking at itself in the mirror.
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Great flop, King.
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