She's from the UK that means United Kingdom, not the University of Kentucky.

fits in a 50 claimer. this is a 2 horse race, maybe 3 if you want to throw in a speed horse that "could" stay.

Street Boss and Midnight Lute....

good show
had to take notes word for word for comparison

Kate Miller is a soft speaker, so the first couple of times i had the volume way up - and then Steve Byk came on with an ear shattering question :eek: :D

i think overall the Europeans are not as strong this year, and maybe are horse are a bit better, especially in the mile, where i love Daytona, War Monger and Kip

i really wish i could remember where i saw the article about the 'euro turfers better than us tufers' thing being far from true. stats don't back it up at all. the top turf horses there run on very soft, very deep turf. not all horses like that, and come here to find firmer ground. and of course running on lasix helps as well. comparing their best turfers to our best could be the apples vs oranges type comparison-kind of like when you have curlin vs the top euros. how do you really decide who's better, since a top turf horse generally won't face a top dirt horse?

I'd really like to see that article cause I think the stats do support that the Euro turfer are better than the US turfers even on firm ground.

Miesque, High Chaparral, Fantastic Light, Theatrical, Kalanisi, Daylami, Pebbles, Lashkari, Pilsudski, Red Rocks, Shirocco, Barathea, Miss Alleged, Tikkanen, In the Wings, Ouija Board, Islington, Six Perfections, Banks Hill, Domedriver, Spinning World, Ridgewood Pearl and Last Tycoon, not to mention Rock of Gibraltar, Bago, Azamour, etc. would all like to see this article.

Not too many complaints when the second best 3yo router (Proud Spell) had to run on the Friday before the Derby.

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I'm sure you meant the best.

it wasn't just in reference to the bc, but all turf racing here.
hey, i didn't write the thing. but i do remember reading it.

been searching, but haven't found that article yet...

but i did find one, in late october '06. it states that the euros as of then had won 12 of 22 bc turf races. that's one more than half. now, how is that domination? they are just ahead in the stats at that time, seems evenly split, not the domination i keep hearing about.

Big Brown???

Keep in mind, on average, I'd guess the BC Turf draws 4-5 Euros and 9-10 Americans, so being >50% is a definitive statistical advantage.
(I guess they're 13-24 now with Red Rocks and English Channel added now... although with the dead heat in '03 I think they'd have to count a win for both)

That being said, they rarely send their top stock. It always seems to be their 2nd tier group, this year no different.

That was soooo last week.

:rolleyes:

After today, I have the next 4 days off from work. I think I am more excited about betting Belmont tomorrow and Thursday than the BC this weekend

Considering the ship, change in climate (when racing in SoCal, FLA) the fact that most Euro's are beyond their best races when they get here etc, I think it's a fine record. Also, while those listed above all ran well in BC races, several, Domedriver, Lashkari, Tikkanen and don't forget Arcangues were not considered the very best in Europe.
As for all Euro's liking soft going, it's a myth. Dylan Thomas was undone by the soft going at Mon. Remember, they almost scratched because he didn't like soft. Daylami did his best in Europe on firmer going and when Euro's go to the Mid-East and Asia they often get rock hard turf and still win. This myth is like the one that holds that all Euro's are routers. Guess what, they've been runing G1 sprints on grass in Europe for ages now! I just wish that some of their sprinters would come here for the BC. I'd have thought the SA course might have suited them, though most as used to to a straightaway sprint.

If my memory is correct, Arcangues is the only European horse to go turf to dirt to win the Classic, ironically it was at Santa Anita hunch players. :$: