I get it, but do you really think LeBron at age 18 wrote or directed that commercial? LeBron's simply the actor in this spot and in life in general. If he wrote this at age 18, he's smarter than I give him credit for, by a lot.

Oh shut up.

Yeah, great comparison.

He gave the green light.

Look his mother is a drug addict and a whore. It's still no excuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os79bvZLnmc

He gets up like that because he objected to the way Haywood pushed him while he was in mid air. He's not showing anyone up. He's not banging his chest...he's not screaming.

He knows he's good and doesn't need everyone else to know it also.

This is really pointless. You don't like the guy. That's your right. There's no need for me to try to make an argument to get you to like a guy or for you to tell me why I shouldn't when neither of us know him and whether we like him or not is irrelevant. Either way, he's still the best player in the world.

Kobe Bryant has 5 rings. LeBron 0.

There is not such thing as "Best" with no ships.

I didn't realize the best player in the world completely vanishes and handcuffs his team's offense with terrible shots and doesn't volunteer to guard the other team's best player while his team is blowing a 15-point lead in an essential closeout game in the Finals.

Wait wait, I know, "he wasn't the only one that disappeared." Yeah, but he's the Messiah, he's the best player in the world, so it's up to him to squash that comeback and he completely shriveled up. Imagine a Jordan-led Bulls team giving up that kind of lead in a Finals game.

Keep him out of the paint and he'll eventually go back to being LeBrick. The best player in the world who you can play off of with confidence. I guess he needs more help, he can't do it alone!

Is it fair to say that Kobe played on better teams when winning the 5 rings than Lebron has had thus far in his career?

Unless you're going to claim that LeBron is going to win 5 or more then this conversation is not going to happen.

Steve Kerr-5
Robert Horry-7
Karl Malone-0
John Stockton-0
Jerry West-1
Oscar Robertson-1
Elgin Baylor-0
Wilt Chamberlain-2
Charles Barkley-0

Robertson and West got theirs at the end of their careers. I guess they were nothing players until the end. I guess Bob Cousy was the best point guard in history. Better than Magic, Stockton, Thomas, Kidd. Best ever. Championships won is a horrible way to compare players in a team game.

The rings argument can certainly go both ways and always has. It's the old Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson have rings and Dan Marino doesn't. Luc Longley has multiple rings and Patrick Ewing has zero. Glenn Big Baby Davis has a ring and Charles Barkley doesn't.

LeBron has been very good these playoffs in 2011 despite what happened game 2 of the finals. That's not really debatable. I don't watch the games that closely or re-watch them after the fact to see what happened. I can't say if what happened the last 7 minutes was Dallas finally turning up the heat on defense forcing the Heat into the LeBron dribble out the shot clock offense which unfortunately I saw happen a lot in Cleveland in post season or if LeBron was totally at fault. I would have to think Dallas perhaps had a lot to do with what happened, as to be in the finals they have to be at least a somewhat effective team you would think.

Goddamity!!




I'm sick of this King backing The King nonsense.

You were getting a little mouthy there, too,Dahla.

I am not afraid to kick you again.



James is nothing more than an extraordinarily talented extraordinarily narcissistic fool .

And this O'brien nut placated him for years and that helped no one.So he skeedaddled.....in a way no one else would.He cries all the time, feigns injuries, will trash a coach who played to him for about 5 years....and then after they are both gone he will make ''gentlemanly comments "about Brown.That is the personification of James.

And he quit his team,coaches and fans ...at home....in a playoff game.All because he didn't like Brown's strategy.


He may have been catered to at a very young age...but how many years does it take until you look at yourself in relation to the rest of the world and what is going in within? It isn't written that the "catered to at a young age" is a license to be a friggin' ass.hole the rest of your life.


Plenty of players do not like him.Ask Kevin Garnett for one.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3lzyTzIG3E

Gilbert messed it up by catering to the fool which is why they fired Brown who I guess is good enough for LA. He could have done the manly thing and told gilbert in private after game 6 against Boston he wasn't coming back and been done with it. He wanted the big game in people coming after him Clev included. This is why Clev hates him. We'd hate him anyway if he left but not to the extent it is.

spit!!







rolling and laughing!!

+ 8.5


But I was one who was glad he left.

You're still a sissy, but this was fine, fine work.

Thanks so much, I knew I could do it.

I have always been in the Kobe camp as far as who was the better player. But now? I think injuries and father time (scary thought!)are catching up with Kobe while Lebron is in the middle of his prime. I think its conceivable, especially the way the NBA is now, that Lebron can win more than five championships.

Lebron, in my opinion, never will be the scorer that Kobe has been. He will never be the same "force" offensively. His lateral quickness, his end to end speed with and without the ball, his ball handling just aren't what Kobe's were. I think Lebron can do more things. I think Lebron can "get his" more in the flow of an offense. I think Lebron is the better playmaker and I would put him in the top tier in the league in passing. I think Lebron is the better rebounder. I think Lebron helps better and plays passing lanes better than kobe although I think kobe was a better lock down guy. I think kobe is a superior shooter from low post, mid range and three. Lebron takes it to the basket much stronger.

If you took Lebron 2005-2010 and put him on those 3 championships teams with shaq, I find it hard to believe that the Lakers wouldn't have still won those three rings. The last two years? I think that is certainly up for debate.

We did see the success that kobe had when he was playing with mediocre talents around him. The west was certainly much tougher those years than most of the years that Lebron was with cleveland but Kobe never even sniffed the conference final. Did they even win a round? Compare that to what Magic made the final with in 92 or what Lebron made it with in cleveland.

Despite the contempt I have for Lebron in regards to his whining on every violation and his classless "decision", I do respect that with or without a title, he is the best of his era and certainly an all time great.

I was only kidding ,Dahler......don't hate me.

As an aside, someone the other day brought something to mind that I hadn't ever considered. Scottie Pippen took the Bulls further without MJ than MJ ever took them without Pippen. I found that kind of interesting.

You find a lot of meaningless things interesting, I'm guessing.

Your posts have been a great source for years.

Pot, kettle.

You can say the same thing about Phil Jackson with the both of them but I know how you feel about that.

Glad to have helped ateam.

Are you sure about that Dalakhani? The furthest the Bulls got with Phil and no Jordan was the second round. The furthest the Bulls went with Jordan and no Phil was the conference finals wasn't it?

I didn't mean strictly with the bulls. Phil has 5 titles without Jordan or pippen. Those guys have zero without Phil. The same is true for kobe bryant.

Big 4th quarter from Lebron. :rolleyes:

He'll get his ring thanks to Wade, the best player on his team.

Truer words have never been spoken. You watch Dirk, struggling so hard to find buckets for his team because he's the only one who can do it, then you watch LeBron, running away from the paint and passing the ball to Wade and Bosh to score because they're the only ones who can do it, and you think, best player in the world?

Well I knew that much. That's why I only said with the Bulls. I knew Pippen had even made it to a conference final with Portland. I respect Jackson but I just believe that he is the ultimate opportunist. I like to call him the Mariano Rivera of coaches. He's a closer. Doug Collins built those Bulls up and I believe they were ready to take that next step. They had to learn. Same with Del Harris and the Lakers. To me, Phil could only win with two superstars. When he only had one, he lost with both teams. He also lost with two in LA. Great button pusher/motivator. Average coach to me. Given equal talent to work with, there are a lot of guys I'd take before him.

Did you even watch any second of the Miami/Chicago series?? Great passing is a skill possessed by LeBron regardless of how much anyone likes him. I think the pass to Bosh for the last basket made is a play you want one of your players to make. That is called a winning basketball play. He made it. Call me crazy.

What he did against Chicago was nice. This is the Finals, and he's contributed next to nothing offensively in the fourth quarters of the two biggest games.

This is kind of petty. Is passing not a skill? If the guy took the shots you would call him selfish or stupid for not getting the ball to the guys who were hot.

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two biggest games? game one doesnt count?

Game 1 is the most meaningless game in a 7-game series. And Chuck, don't tell me he's the best player in the world when he's getting carried by a teammate late in these games.

How big was that half court heave 3 pointer Chalmers made at half time? It was back court violation that wasn't called.

C'mon this is weak. It's Dwayne freakin Wade, not John Starks. Probably the 2nd or 3rd best scorer in the world. You are holding him to a standard that cant possibly be met because you don't like him. I was never a fan of Larry Bird but I respected his game.