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Dahoss 05-26-2011 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 779465)
Guess I was wrong. I thought that if Chicago got up 12+, they would be able to barely hold on. Great comeback by Miami. Wade and James came up HUGE. HUGE. I wonder if all of the idiots talking about James can't finish games will shut up? Same ones talking about Dirk can't do it. Now, one of the "losers" will be a champion. My two favorite players. I love it.

Congrats...I guess.

King Glorious 05-26-2011 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 779468)
Congrats...I guess.

Not to me. I just got lucky picking them.

Dalakhani, did you check out the play with 58 seconds to go, after James hit the three to tie it? Rose had it top of the key and they moved him over a little to the right and ran a pick and roll with Thomas. Didn't work. Bosh steps out on the pick and by him showing, it gives James a chance to get back over so now Rose has got James and Bosh guarding him and that's too much size. If they try to run it with Deng or another small, Wade is quick and athletic enough to switch and Miami doesn't lose a beat. The best chance for the Bulls in those situations is a 1-4 set and get out of his way and let him try to get to the basket. You don't want any other defenders up there congesting things.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 779467)
Not taking away anything from Miami but the bulls are some chokes. Derrick rose is a choke.

Really? What is Rose supposed to do? If he passes to one of the dwarfs he gets killed. He clearly had no other options than to try to force it against the best defender in the league.

I made a prediction after they signed Boozer that a few years down the line they will regret it. I was wrong, they must already regret it.

Wade and James made some unbelievable shots down the stretch, there was nothing outside of fouling them that anyone could have done about that.

Dahoss 05-26-2011 10:49 PM

That missed free throw at the end was kind of a killer though. Very reminiscient of the NCAA championship game.

Rose also fouled Wade on his 3 point and 4 point play at the end of the game.

He's an amazing player that is too spread out right now. He needs some help. They wouldn't even have been in the game without him, but he didn't make the plays at the end and Wade and LeDouche did.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2011 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 779471)
That missed free throw at the end was kind of a killer though. Very reminiscient of the NCAA championship game.

Rose also fouled Wade on his 3 point and 4 point play at the end of the game.

He's an amazing player that is too spread out right now. He needs some help. They wouldn't even have been in the game without him, but he didn't make the plays at the end and Wade and LeDouche did.

It was a big miss but I wont kill him for the foul on Wade. Chicago needs another option though those are harder to find than people think. The Bulls should get better with the experience but i still have nagging feeling that the Boozer deal will become an albatross.

Coach Pants 05-26-2011 11:20 PM

Yay LeBron! Yay Goldman Sachs! Yay Wal-Mart! Yay King Van Glorious!

dalakhani 05-27-2011 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 779470)
Really? What is Rose supposed to do? If he passes to one of the dwarfs he gets killed. He clearly had no other options than to try to force it against the best defender in the league.

I made a prediction after they signed Boozer that a few years down the line they will regret it. I was wrong, they must already regret it.

Wade and James made some unbelievable shots down the stretch, there was nothing outside of fouling them that anyone could have done about that.

I don't consider the last shot a choke although they were clearly unprepared as a team. As point guard and leader, he has to take control there. What would Isaiah have done there?

The missed free throw was tough. Didn't he miss one down the stretch the other night as well?

How about the turnover inside of a minute? Your pg and best player can't turn it over like that at that point in the game.

They looked scared as a team and it looked that way pretty much the entire series after game 1.

dalakhani 05-27-2011 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 779469)
Not to me. I just got lucky picking them.

Dalakhani, did you check out the play with 58 seconds to go, after James hit the three to tie it? Rose had it top of the key and they moved him over a little to the right and ran a pick and roll with Thomas. Didn't work. Bosh steps out on the pick and by him showing, it gives James a chance to get back over so now Rose has got James and Bosh guarding him and that's too much size. If they try to run it with Deng or another small, Wade is quick and athletic enough to switch and Miami doesn't lose a beat. The best chance for the Bulls in those situations is a 1-4 set and get out of his way and let him try to get to the basket. You don't want any other defenders up there congesting things.

You know KG that a pick and roll is only going to be as good as the screener. Thomas is too slow to have to worry about the cut to the basket. If Boozer were in the game, that's where i would have run it but either way Rose shouldn't have turned it over there.

I agree with the 1-4...if you don'thave time and if they were playing Rose with even a shred of honesty. They weren't and that's why they needed to run something in my opinion. All moot now.

Should be a fun finals.

King Glorious 05-31-2011 04:27 PM

I have Miami taking the first two at home, the second game coming to the wire. Dallas then takes the next two at home before losing game five and then going back to Miami down 2-3. I think they win game six then the Heat wins it in seven. One of the two "losers" gets a ring but unfortunately, instead of focusing on how great James and Nowitzki are, the media continues to call the loser a loser. James is the best player in the world and is named MVP.

horseofcourse 05-31-2011 04:45 PM

I have no clue who is going to win and wouldn't even begin to hazard a guess. And I don't really care who wins.

Cannon Shell 05-31-2011 04:59 PM

Miami has the best set of Dirk defenders in the league

Dallas has bad defensive matchups on Miami's wings and will have to play zone a great deal.

Dallas depth is not nearly a big a factor with the spread out finals schedule which will allow Miami to play its best players 40+ minutes and give Haslem extra time between games.

If Dirk's effectiveness is lowered, who picks up the slack?

Miami is athletic enough to defend perimeter enough to force Terry, Stevenson and Peja to put the ball on the floor which is a problem

Barea is a tough matchup for Miami on offense but when Miami goes James, Wade, Bosh, Miller, Haslem who does he guard? Who does Terry guard in that lineup? You dont want to give Miami easy baskets because they are vulnerable when go through dry spells which they seem to do at least once or twice a game.

Dallas has to completely dominate the boards, get a lot of put backs, shoot the lights out which will spread the defense and give them an even bigger rebounding advantage and get Miami in foul trouble. They can probably do it well enough to win a few games but this one should be Miami in 6.

Antitrust32 05-31-2011 05:02 PM

I'm picking the Heat in 5 games

dalakhani 05-31-2011 06:54 PM

Im taking Dallas. Miami is going to have a hard time defending the maverick perimeter shooter AND defending the paint against penetration by Barea and the size advantage that Dallas will possess.

Dallas, to me, has been the most complete team in the playoffs and have dominated two teams that I think would have been tough for Miami to beat. I realize that has nothing to do with THIS matchup but at the same time it shows the level of ball that they are playing.

If Wade were 100%, I think Miami would have a chance but with his injury problems, give me Dallas in 6.

herkhorse 05-31-2011 07:04 PM

I'm setting the over/under on games that I can stay awake until the end at 1, and I'm taking the under.

clyde 05-31-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 780593)
Im taking Dallas. Miami is going to have a hard time defending the maverick perimeter shooter AND defending the paint against penetration by Barea and the size advantage that Dallas will possess.

Dallas, to me, has been the most complete team in the playoffs and have dominated two teams that I think would have been tough for Miami to beat. I realize that has nothing to do with THIS matchup but at the same time it shows the level of ball that they are playing.

If Wade were 100%, I think Miami would have a chance but with his injury problems, give me Dallas in 6.


kiss-kiss







(and you better be right this time)

dalakhani 05-31-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 780595)

kiss-kiss







(and you better be right this time)

don't bet on it...or at least not a lot. I don't have a ton of confidence in that selection.

Although, maybe that is why it might actually win. ;)

clyde 05-31-2011 07:09 PM

Good enough.....I'm with you.

horseofcourse 06-02-2011 11:07 PM

well that was fun.

clyde 06-02-2011 11:24 PM

spit!!



Was funny...but what happened?

clyde 06-02-2011 11:30 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

clyde 06-02-2011 11:36 PM

Dallas wins, but poo.



Mr. Gordon Gee was about to make an appearance.

Too bad.

ateamstupid 06-02-2011 11:57 PM

:D

clyde 06-03-2011 12:16 AM

=:>

Coach Pants 06-03-2011 08:37 AM

Hopefully LeBron gets injured on the flight to Dallas and has to sit the rest of the series.

He deserves NOTHING.

King Glorious 06-04-2011 12:21 PM

Whoever wins this won't be getting it because they deserve anything. It will be because they earned it. LeBron must have really hurt you bad for you to hate him as much as you do.

Coach Pants 06-04-2011 12:57 PM

He shouldn't earn anything. He's ghetto trash and a bad role model. He'd be a felon if he didn't have athletic ability.

F.uck yourself, son.

clyde 06-04-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 781552)
Whoever wins this won't be getting it because they deserve anything. It will be because they earned it. LeBron must have really hurt you bad for you to hate him as much as you do.

And he's a big liah!!

Coach Pants 06-04-2011 01:02 PM

"I'm taking my talents to south beach"

People like that don't earn anything. He's nothing more than an overpaid circus freak.

clyde 06-04-2011 01:17 PM

Yes..and he's a big time choker and ball hog.




From what I have read, his antics remain he same......hold the ball----shoot the ball.

King Glorious 06-04-2011 01:39 PM

So everyone that has the chance to earn a living doing what they love and has earned the right to chose where they want to work is wrong to do so? Let's see. We don't hear about the guy getting in trouble with the law. We don't hear about him cheating on his woman. We don't hear about him having five kids with five different women. We don't hear about him using drugs. What's so bad about the guy? He has fun playing a GAME and that's bad? His teammates love him. I just don't understand all of the hatred. Why would you assume he'd be a felon? Because he's black? What has he done to lead you to that assumption? I know a lot of people were turned off by the whole media circus with the decision thing and I also didn't like the way they did it. But what's forgotten in the whole thing is that he insisted that the proceeds go to charity. Yeah, I guess that's pretty horrible. So he chose to go play in Miami with another great player and try to win a title. Big deal. If you had to chose between Miami and Cleveland to live, you'd probably chose Miami also.

Dahoss 06-04-2011 01:45 PM

He insisted the proceeds go to charity because it looked good. If he wanted to give money to charity, just give it, don't make a spectacle out of it.

Everything is Hollywood with him. It's beyond having fun. It's classless. Just play the f'n game already.

horseofcourse 06-04-2011 02:02 PM

Good post KG. Can't really argue about anything except one thing. Me personally, you couldn't pay me to live in Miami. For me it's the worst weather on the planet. I do a ton of cross country skiing in season, and it's how I get most of my exercise so Miami would be misery for me. I'm a big fan of snow. Summer is painful for me which is why I sought out an extremely dry climate to live in. Maybe when I'm 80 I'll like warm and humid weather.

None of us know LeBron personally so none of us know what he's like behind the scenes. I'm guessing any one individual can focus on anything with LeBron and go to town. He is an ego maniac which is par for the course with stud athletes and why they are likely stud athletes. Those against can focus on that. those defending can make your points and stand fast. As a native northeastern Ohioan I only cheer for proper laundary so defended him when he donned the right laundary. I don't care much either way any more. I'm still pulling for Dallas!! :)

King Glorious 06-04-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 781598)
He insisted the proceeds go to charity because it looked good. If he wanted to give money to charity, just give it, don't make a spectacle out of it.

Everything is Hollywood with him. It's beyond having fun. It's classless. Just play the f'n game already.

Whether he did it because it looked good or not, do you think that matters to the people that benefit from receiving it? As I said, I agreed that it was not the best way to handle it at all and he's admitted that if he had to do it over again, he'd do it different. But if that's the worst thing we have on a guy, how bad can he be?

I don't think that people understand what it's like to be a superstar athlete or entertainer in the world these days. At 13, he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. He was put on a pedastal by others. He didn't place himself on it. How do you learn grace and humility when people are catering to you at that age? I think it's easy to look from the outside and say a person should be like this or should act like that but the reality is that none of us knows what it's like to be in those kinds of positions or how we would react if we were.

His antics on the court don't seem out of line with what anyone else is doing these days. It's not the 1980's or 1990's anymore. Personally, I feel like a lot of the stuff is over the top.....the screaming and pounding your chest after a big dunk or block, the holding up three fingers after a long shot, etc. I didn't do that stuff and I don't care for it now. But LeBron is hardly the only guy doing this stuff. It's just part of this generation of players. The older guys did it in different ways. Jordan and Bird are legendary for talking a ton of trash on the court.

Overall, I just don't see a bad guy. I see a guy that's well liked by his teammates and well respected among his peers. Listen to any interview and he's respectful of his opponents and he doesn't get in trouble. The biggest negative people seem to be able to come up with is that he's having too much fun.

horseofcourse 06-04-2011 02:09 PM

The closest comps I can come to for LeBron James are Lady Gaga and Sarah Palin. They're sort of the three stooges of the modern entertainment industry. they're all sort of rich, very me-me centered and know how to maximize profit. (of the 3, Gaga is by far the most intelligent and down to earth!)

Dahoss 06-04-2011 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 781610)

Overall, I just don't see a bad guy. I see a guy that's well liked by his teammates and well respected among his peers. Listen to any interview and he's respectful of his opponents and he doesn't get in trouble. The biggest negative people seem to be able to come up with is that he's having too much fun.

This is BS. There is a fine line between having fun and acting like a jackass. He acts like a jackass.

Not everyone acts like a jackass. Dirk might hold up 3 fingers or whatever, but he isn't banging his chest and screaming everytime he makes a play. Durant isn't either. Derrick Rose doesn't.

But you know who has perfected it? The Heatles.

King Glorious 06-04-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 781614)
This is BS. There is a fine line between having fun and acting like a jackass. He acts like a jackass.

Not everyone acts like a jackass. Dirk might hold up 3 fingers or whatever, but he isn't banging his chest and screaming everytime he makes a play. Durant isn't either. Derrick Rose doesn't.

But you know who has perfected it? The Heatles.

But there are plenty of players who do those things. He's not the only one. I remember back some years ago when a Terrell Owens scored a touchdown in Dallas and went to the star in the middle of the field to celebrate. People went crazy. I know a lot of people are turned off by Chad Ochocinco's td celebrations. My thing has always been if you don't want them to celebrate, don't let them score. The best way to stop James from doing the things you don't like seeing him do is to stop him from making the plays or winning. To each his own though. He's a very polarizing figure. If I were playing, I'd love to play with him. If I were an owner, I'd love to have him on my team. If I'm a fan in any city, I'd love it if he were on my team because he instantly makes my team better.

Dahoss 06-04-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 781617)
But there are plenty of players who do those things. He's not the only one. I remember back some years ago when a Terrell Owens scored a touchdown in Dallas and went to the star in the middle of the field to celebrate. People went crazy. I know a lot of people are turned off by Chad Ochocinco's td celebrations. My thing has always been if you don't want them to celebrate, don't let them score. The best way to stop James from doing the things you don't like seeing him do is to stop him from making the plays or winning. To each his own though. He's a very polarizing figure. If I were playing, I'd love to play with him. If I were an owner, I'd love to have him on my team. If I'm a fan in any city, I'd love it if he were on my team because he instantly makes my team better.

So because he isn't the only one acting like an idiot, it's okay? That's essentially what you are saying. How about wanting the great players to act like it? Is that a lot to ask?

Give me a guy like Durant over him anyday. A team first guy who isn't impressed by himself when he dunks a ball.

horseofcourse 06-04-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 781617)
The best way to stop James from doing the things you don't like seeing him do is to stop him from making the plays or winning.

and that's exactly what Dallas finally did. for the first time all series they decided to play suffocating defense the last 7 minutes of game 2. It was incredible. the open 3 by Chalmers was the only field goal they made the last 7 minutes. that was a display by Dallas.

Coach Pants 06-04-2011 02:26 PM

This was his idea for an intro to the NBA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT4tAltJ6oc

basketball Jesus. The savior of the sport.

I don't have to personally know the mother f.ucker to know he's a piece of s.hit.

King Glorious 06-04-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 781618)
So because he isn't the only one acting like an idiot, it's okay? That's essentially what you are saying. How about wanting the great players to act like it? Is that a lot to ask?

Give me a guy like Durant over him anyday. A team first guy who isn't impressed by himself when he dunks a ball.

That's not essentially what I'm saying. I'm saying that I don't think it's acting like an idiot. It's not a big deal to me. I don't like it but I also don't like rap music but the majority of the guys in the league do. I just chalk it up to a different generation.

You can take Durant if you want to. Nothing wrong with that. You can take Rose or Duncan if you want to. Everyone has their preferences. I want the best player. By the way, did you see Durant's reaction when he destroyed Brendan Haywood with that dunk in the last series?


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