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RolloTomasi 05-06-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 859009)
If this happens -- Mike Maker should just waive a white flag.

The Lumber Guy got a loose lead in the Wood Memorial and turned in a 14 second final 1/8th.

What is it with connections trying to ruin good sprinters in Triple Crown races?

Hansen should go to Hollywood Park. First off, they'd probably let the owner paint the horse's tail, especially turqoise and pink so they can promote Zenyatta some more. Secondly, he could be as devastating as Old Trieste in races like the Affirmed and the Swaps.

Could you imagine Hansen in a 5-horse Grade 3 going 8.5f at that track?

Liaison and Rousing Sermon can round out the tri.

Calzone Lord 05-06-2012 06:30 PM

Agree on all counts.

VOL JACK 05-06-2012 08:39 PM

Hansen is off the triple crown. He is fine physically..but hes not running in the Preakness and Belmont.

RolloTomasi 05-06-2012 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 859049)
Hansen is off the triple crown. He is fine physically..but hes not running in the Preakness and Belmont.

1st Long Branch
1st Haskell
5th Travers
8th BC Classic
retired

Calzone Lord 05-06-2012 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 859049)
Hansen is off the triple crown. He is fine physically..but hes not running in the Preakness and Belmont.

According to Maker maybe.

That owner seems like the type of person who can change his mind on a whim.

Sightseek 05-06-2012 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 859057)
According to Maker maybe.

That owner seems like the type of person who makes the owner of Ricks Natural Star seem balanced.

FTFY

MaTH716 05-07-2012 12:25 PM

Jay Privman ‏ @DRFPrivman
Went the Day Well, troubled 4th in Derby, definite for Preakness, according to Team Valor CEO Barry Irwin. Velazquez rides back. #preakness

slotdirt 05-07-2012 12:33 PM

Interesting to me on a couple levels. In the last couple years, this is the kind of horse that has automatically been pointed toward the Belmont.

Kasept 05-07-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 858898)
PIM: 5/19/12 - Preakness Stakes (G1)

I'll Have Another (O'Neill)
Bodemeister (Baffert)
Went The Day Well (Motion)
Creative Cause (Harrington)
Liaison (Baffert)
Hansen (Maker) -- Possible
Optimizer (Lukas)

Pretension (Grove)
Brimstone Island (Campbell)
Cozzetti (Romans)
Hierro (Asmussen)
Isn't He Clever (Asmussen) -- Possible
Paynter (Baffert)
Teeth of the Dog (Matz)
Tiger Walk (Correas)
Zetterholm (R. Dutrow)

Revised

Mike 05-07-2012 02:48 PM

I think there are some interesting new shooters, but I'd have to think any of them are only usable underneath, and deeply underneath at that. I think even Creative Cause and Liaison will be solid in the Preakness, as well as Went The Day Well, Bodemiester and I'll Have Another of course.

Hansen (if he goes), along with Paynter could lead to another quick pace, Bodemeister needs to simply relax and mature in the next two weeks;)

Great looking Preakness

Rudeboyelvis 05-07-2012 02:55 PM

I'm not prepared to give up on Isn't He Clever just yet - He seems a logical outsider that can impact the exotics

slotdirt 05-07-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 859164)
I'm not prepared to give up on Isn't He Clever just yet - He seems a logical outsider that can impact the exotics

Agreed.

I also think I'll let Went the Day Well beat me again in the Preakness if he goes.

NTamm1215 05-07-2012 03:02 PM

That's a pretty rag-tag group of new shooters.

Interestingly, the only two horses since Deputed Testamony to win the Preakness without having run in the Ky Derby are Red Bullet and Rachel Alexandra. Red Bullet is the only horse in the last 30+ years to win without having had a race in the prior 21 days.

Mike 05-07-2012 03:05 PM

This group of 3-year-olds appears even worse than the weak crops of 2011, 2010, and 2009, with the notable exception of Bodemeister, whose effort on Saturday was so good that the defeat didn’t even sting Baffert. “This is the only time I’ve run second where I’ve been happy because he ran his race,” the trainer said. “He’s a brilliant horse.”

Andrew Beyer in the main article on DRF right now.

RolloTomasi 05-07-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 859166)
That's a pretty rag-tag group of new shooters.

Interestingly, the only two horses since Deputed Testamony to win the Preakness without having run in the Ky Derby are Red Bullet and Rachel Alexandra. Red Bullet is the only horse in the last 30+ years to win without having had a race in the prior 21 days.

Bernardini

NTamm1215 05-07-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 859173)
Bernardini

Right, I confused myself with the "didn't run in the Derby but ran just 7 days prior" portion of that statistic. Bernardini, of course, ran 3 weeks prior to the Preakness in the Withers.

bare it all 05-07-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 859021)
Hansen should go to Hollywood Park. First off, they'd probably let the owner paint the horse's tail, especially turqoise and pink so they can promote Zenyatta some more. Secondly, he could be as devastating as Old Trieste in races like the Affirmed and the Swaps.

Could you imagine Hansen in a 5-horse Grade 3 going 8.5f at that track?

Liaison and Rousing Sermon can round out the tri.

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largo1 05-08-2012 01:04 AM

Am I misremembering something? Didn't Bernardini win the Preakness the year Barbaro was injured? I was thinking he was a new shooter.

largo1 05-08-2012 01:05 AM

Sorry, guess I should have read all of the comments. :D

tywizard 05-08-2012 09:10 AM

The Lumber Guy opts for Peter Pan


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