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philcski 11-08-2010 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 720385)
You might be right. It's hard to say. The filly that won the 2nd race looks like a nice filly and I would have exepcted her final time to be about a second or so faster than the winner of the final race. So that is evidence that does not support my argument.

On the other hand, the 9th race that day (an allowance race that was as strong as a stakes race) went in 1:19. That $40k filly that won the 1st race ran 1:12 3/5 which is almost as fast. Yet I don't think that filly would have finished within 5 lengths if she was in the 9th race. To me that is some evidence that the track was slower later in the day.

So I don't know. There is conflicting evidence.

There isn't as much difference between a $40k claimer and an N1X for 2yo's; hell, Nina Fever ran the best 2yo non-stake race for winners at KEE this fall in a $30k race. I think the reason for this is most 2yo's with ability get tossed straight into stakes and skip allowance company.

I didn't think a whole lot of that allowance race when I looked at it, to be honest.

DaTruth 11-08-2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 720117)
I think I just got dumber reading that.

I gave up midway through the first sentence.

Rupert Pupkin 11-09-2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 720801)
There isn't as much difference between a $40k claimer and an N1X for 2yo's; hell, Nina Fever ran the best 2yo non-stake race for winners at KEE this fall in a $30k race. I think the reason for this is most 2yo's with ability get tossed straight into stakes and skip allowance company.

I didn't think a whole lot of that allowance race when I looked at it, to be honest.

In general you are right that most 2yo's with ability do go straight into stakes races and the2 year old allowance races often times are not that strong. But this was not a typical 2 year old allowance race. The favorite in there had just won easily at Belmont and run a 93 Beyer. The 2nd choice in there won by 10 lengths first time out at Calder and got an 80 Beyer. That horse was purchased privately after that race for $350,000 and would have gone for more if he wasn't by D' Wildcat. This was his first start since the purchase. Then there was the Catalano horse had just run 4th in the Grade III Arlington Washington Futurity. And then there was the Pletcher who had been working heads up with More Than Real and Pluck. On paper, it looked like a stakes race.

Handicappy 11-13-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank (Post 718138)
bullshit! I'll NEVER forget it,and I'll be rubbing it in every Zenyatta fan's face that I can,for as long as I live!

yet more proof of Zenyatta's greatness

Handicappy 11-13-2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719938)
You are simply a faceless troll on the internet. I have a grasp of the sport that you just aren't intellegent enough to understand. Keep making up phony idiocy like "footwork" and other garbage like your flawed charts that no one else cares about. Only about 10% of the people who are involved or follow this sport really have any clue as to what really is happening. You shouldn't be ashamed that you fall into the other 90%. There are some people who are far smarter than you that don't get it either.

You probably should try to get some help before your self-loathing becomes dangerous to others.

so you are obviously right because ............. well because you have thought it and therefore you are right. It is sad when someone has to pontificate about how much more of a grasp they have of something than 90% of the others. That kind of self-elevation only means the drop is that much harder. So if we don't agree with you, we are faceless internet trolls who don't get it? Man, you must have alot of yes-men around you to keep that ego going. This blog is getting far to full of just this kind of "let me elevate myself by making someone else look foolish".

slotdirt 11-14-2010 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy (Post 722976)
so you are obviously right because ............. well because you have thought it and therefore you are right. It is sad when someone has to pontificate about how much more of a grasp they have of something than 90% of the others. That kind of self-elevation only means the drop is that much harder. So if we don't agree with you, we are faceless internet trolls who don't get it? Man, you must have alot of yes-men around you to keep that ego going. This blog is getting far to full of just this kind of "let me elevate myself by making someone else look foolish".

Don't you know who Cannon SHell is? Of course he has a lot of yes man. Good God.

Danzig 11-14-2010 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720242)
ah running in 14 grade 1 races and only 2-3 you consider meaningful.

Why do you follow the sport then, what does that say about the time you are wasting if you think like that?

what horse did that this year? they should be in the running for hoy. it's far more than what blame or zenyatta have done this year.

Cannon Shell 11-14-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy (Post 722976)
so you are obviously right because ............. well because you have thought it and therefore you are right. It is sad when someone has to pontificate about how much more of a grasp they have of something than 90% of the others. That kind of self-elevation only means the drop is that much harder. So if we don't agree with you, we are faceless internet trolls who don't get it? Man, you must have alot of yes-men around you to keep that ego going. This blog is getting far to full of just this kind of "let me elevate myself by making someone else look foolish".

If you are wrong, you are wrong. I don't make idiots like you and TFM write stupid things. But I will point it out when you do. If that is too much for you to deal with then you can check in at some of the other public forums where the ratio is a lot closer to 99%/1%.

Handicappy 11-16-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 723073)
Don't you know who Cannon SHell is? Of course he has a lot of yes man. Good God.

I do know exactly who he is.

Handicappy 11-16-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 723140)
If you are wrong, you are wrong. I don't make idiots like you and TFM write stupid things. But I will point it out when you do. If that is too much for you to deal with then you can check in at some of the other public forums where the ratio is a lot closer to 99%/1%.

My goodness. It is worse than I thought. We aren't talking about facts here! Opinions are being expressed. Everyone on this site is prone to mistakes in judgement. Andy S even acknowledges wearing a dunce hat periodically. And I am not the one shooting out names like Idiots/trolls/etc. to those who stand in disagreement with me.

I have respect for your decisions regarding bloodstock and training and know some of the owners you have given advise to. That doesn't make you right! Perhaps you should consider the 99%/1% forum as then you would have more folks giving you unquestioned support without anyone trying to point out or challenge you on your demeanor.

Cannon Shell 11-16-2010 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy (Post 724011)
My goodness. It is worse than I thought. We aren't talking about facts here! Opinions are being expressed. Everyone on this site is prone to mistakes in judgement. Andy S even acknowledges wearing a dunce hat periodically. And I am not the one shooting out names like Idiots/trolls/etc. to those who stand in disagreement with me.

I have respect for your decisions regarding bloodstock and training and know some of the owners you have given advise to. That doesn't make you right! Perhaps you should consider the 99%/1% forum as then you would have more folks giving you unquestioned support without anyone trying to point out or challenge you on your demeanor.

Perhaps I am mistaken but where did I address you in this thread?

Oh thats right I didn't, you took offense to something I said to another poster who regularly makes unsolicited, snide comments directed at me and decided to jump in.

You decided to include your self in the 90%. I don't know who you are nor did I say a word to you before you decided to ride in to the defense of the unwashed masses and the fat dork.

magic_idol 12-11-2010 12:43 AM

Bump....................................I just wanted to get this up to 400 replies as i think it really deserves it as top dog in replies 391 dosn't quite sound right

RockHardTen1985 12-11-2010 09:20 PM

I got you.

magic_idol 12-11-2010 10:22 PM

Oh Well Just for Zenyatta Fans :-)
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