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hockey2315 10-20-2008 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Linny
The typical "elite" US turf horse is far below the best of the Euro's, year in and year out. Grand Couturier raced in Europe and was a "listed stakes" type there. Red Rocks (who could have dominated this season, if sound) was no better than a G3 horse there. When he ran with G1 horses in Europe (Manduro, Dylan Thomas, Duke of Marmalade, Soldier of Fortune, Youmzain) he was nowhere. In fact he was crushed by Dr. Dino who is not regarded as "elite" in Europe, even though he's won G1 in Europe and Asia. Now, RR does move up here because of Lasix (etc) he's still not in the league of those mentioned above.

GC also loves a soft turf course, the SA course will not likely suit him. Dancing Forever like hard turf but I don't see him having the clas of Soldier of Fortune. I'd consider Conduit from Sir Michael Stoute. He loves 12f and has handled "firmer" going in Europe. If he looks like a G2 horse, refer to the first paragraph of this post.
Red Rocks has displayed a preference for firm turf, which may help explain why he's struggled in Europe and ran well vs. Curlin here. . .

philcski 10-20-2008 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What are these angles you are speaking of? Educate me...
He can't win now since he's carrying mush weight, but he's right- Daytona was certainly live at a price. The last time I liked a Cali miler who I gave up on because he had a mediocre final prep, he won at 17-1 (Singletary).

blackthroatedwind 10-20-2008 03:30 PM
Linny
 
You're exagerating. Grand Couturier raced in two Group races in Europe, he ran third, beaten a neck for all the money in a Group 2, and he ran in a Group 1, won by eventual Arc winner Rail Link, where he finished fourth and lost second ( to Red Rocks ) by a neck. He was better than a " listed " horse in Europe. He, like Red Rocks, may also have benefited from Lasix.

As for Red Rocks, he hasn't raced since mid July, was scratched out of the Sword Dancer, and was pretty absent from training from what I understand ( he was absent from the work tab for 45 days ). To me, his talent is irrelevent, and I wouldn't go anywhere near him.

hrfan 10-20-2008 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're exagerating. Grand Couturier raced in two Group races in Europe, he ran third, beaten a neck for all the money in a Group 2, and he ran in a Group 1, won by eventual Arc winner Rail Link, where he finished fourth and lost second ( to Red Rocks ) by a neck. He was better than a " listed " horse in Europe. He, like Red Rocks, may also have benefited from Lasix.

As for Red Rocks, he hasn't raced since mid July, was scratched out of the Sword Dancer, and was pretty absent from training from what I understand ( he was absent from the work tab for 45 days ). To me, his talent is irrelevent, and I wouldn't go anywhere near him.
Do you like Grand Couturier ?

hrfan 10-20-2008 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
He can't win now since he's carrying mush weight, but he's right- Daytona was certainly live at a price. The last time I liked a Cali miler who I gave up on because he had a mediocre final prep, he won at 17-1 (Singletary).
Mush weight ? You must be super educated like HOSS, to have me liking a horse as a betting angle. I thought you were better then this.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-20-2008 04:41 PM
Add another to the list....OUT!
 
This Frankel runner....

http://www.drf.com/news/article/99236.html

Scav 10-20-2008 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Why wouldn't you post the name for people that can't read DRF at work?

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-20-2008 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Why wouldn't you post the name for people that can't read DRF at work?
Gotta get that fixed at your work place ;)

It's a biggie!

Mast Track

sumitas 10-20-2008 04:56 PM
Darn . Cozzene sire line for pedigree fans . I was looking forward to his appearance .

blackthroatedwind 10-20-2008 04:56 PM
Is it me, or are they really dropping like flies?

This entire BC is a fiasco. While I have never been a big fan, what has happened now is a travesty.

10 pnt move up 10-20-2008 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Is it me, or are they really dropping like flies?

This entire BC is a fiasco. While I have never been a big fan, what has happened now is a travesty.
Doesn't this horse train at Hollywood Park?

Coach Pants 10-20-2008 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Is it me, or are they really dropping like flies?

This entire BC is a fiasco. While I have never been a big fan, what has happened now is a travesty.
Byk and some Oak Tree guy were acting like it's going to be the best two days of racing ever on ATR.

Indian Charlie 10-20-2008 05:13 PM
Could be that they are running 2x the number of races, which could account for the higher drop rate.

It can't be the surface though, as there are no injuries ever over synthetic.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-20-2008 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Is it me, or are they really dropping like flies?

This entire BC is a fiasco. While I have never been a big fan, what has happened now is a travesty.
Nobody big............yet.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-20-2008 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Could be that they are running 2x the number of races, which could account for the higher drop rate.

It can't be the surface though, as there are no injuries ever over synthetic.
I think horses are just coming up injured, nothing more than that.

declansharbor 10-20-2008 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Nobody big............yet.
Big Brown??

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-20-2008 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Big Brown??
That was last week....

;)

declansharbor 10-20-2008 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
That was last week....

;)
Sooo last week.;)

blackthroatedwind 10-20-2008 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Byk and some Oak Tree guy were acting like it's going to be the best two days of racing ever on ATR.

Steve has a relationship with the BC and is promoting them. I understand.

It's the worst BC ever. The good news, however, is next year should be worse.


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