Well, if Rudy was unprotected while testing the "waters", could he be the first HIV prez?
Somethin' musta been smokin', Rudy!
Live hard!
good to know your prostate is ok...and your wife says ya don't need viagra.
Does anyone know the std's she's gotten along the way?

Who knows, but you could get 2M for falling on a sidewalk in the city. That's nothing.

Huh? You have me stumped on this one.

If the country has survived under the current adminstration, I have faith that we can survive almost anything. Now that the cards are on the table, its clear GW chose a horrible group of people to help him run things on the whole. There are clearly competent people here and there, but on the whole horrendous appointments (from cabinet to foreign ambassadors). I have to ask myself what candidate will not owe positions to backers after what we have been through and go from there. From that point of view, McCain seems to me the guy that would owe the least and therefore have the ability to pick the best people for all of the important jobs (even FEMA). Even though I clearly have misgivings about him.

Pgardn,
McCain has already gone "all in" with the "surge".
I hope it works out for him, but I don't think so.
If it doesn't, he's a "fold" and walks away from the table. Rudy isn't far behind.
And, yes, your thoughts on GW are correct. Some "legacy".

Randall,
Rudy had prostate cancer, told his second wife about the divorce during a press conference, now has a third.
To me, he's not a "stand-up" guy.
Do a google.

Who cares? Personal lives are the biggest hoax for politicians. Did you like Clinton? He was a scumbag but a decent President. That's what's important. I'm not looking for a Godfather to my children. I want a leader.

And Bill Clinton had cigars that had a distinct smell and used the Oval Office to have illicit encounters with a young woman (maybe women)...still, he was a better President than most. Ike had a mistress forever...the tabloid stuff doesn't interest me, I'd rather have a person in the office who was a saint, but they don't often run for the job!

SF and Randall,
Good points...I'm just stating what won't "play" in the Bible belt.
Ike did a pretty good job. Clinton got impeached for his desires.
Rudy will have to come up with some answers to the thumpers before he gains credibility. See also WTC 7.

hell, jefferson was from the south...he got elected.

yeah, ok, bad example-that was a long time ago....

D-zig,
You need more examples? Lyndon Baines, Jimmy, Dubbya and Dub Daddy.
If ya need more, I can google.

I'm voting for Kucinich.

lol. "not tonight, my prostate's acting up."

Giuliani has his problems but only one counts. He can't win. He does not have a chance. He's going to have to answer for his views on abortion, gays and guns as well as his own morals and he's going to get killed.

I'm expecting an incredibly vicious campaign for the Republican nomination. It's going to be an absolute bloodbath as the scramble is on to save the GOP.

The Far Right of the party may not be able to carry a candidate to win in the General election any more but they will surely have enough steam to not allow Giuliani as their candidate.

my point was that presidents past and present had their private skeletons in their closet, didn't make them unelectable. certainly our founding fathers had their moments-thank goodness the religious right and morals police weren't around back then to keep them from doing their job!

DTS. This surge is NOT popular in the moderate conservative group which McCain clearly sits. An example that he will buck the tide and will do what he thinks is appropriate. The guy has political guts which is probably why he will not be elected. He is not wishy-washy enough. You know where he stands. Not nearly as vague as the boma or hillary.

Pg,
Catch the link on the other thread where he'll be the "keynote speaker" for the creationists on Feb 23.

Here's some more on Rudy.
Might be just me, but I don't think a 14 year marriage to your second cousin will play. (half-way down)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...giuliani1.html

Second cousin makes all the difference. LOL, again, who cares? I sure don't.

Doesn't matter to me either...I already said I won't vote for him.
However, the second cousin issue might not "play" with certain key supporters of the right-wing Repubs, and in the B-belt.

HILLARY?!!! :eek:

I would not put it past him to go in there and tell them they are foolish. He has done things like this before. He has gone in and faced hostile crowds, or turned crowds hostile. I will be very interested to see what he has to say.

But maybe the right people have got to him, and he will play the right game in front of the right crowd. Sad. I always enjoyed his combative nature when he felt strongly about an issue. And he had a very easy time working with the other side as they did not see him as an idealogue. Conservative groups have called him barely Republican in the past. He has got his own drummer. But that may change this time around. He probably will tell people what they want to hear, not what he believes, just like the rest. The country just cant stomach bad news.

Rudy is the least worst Republican.I was gunna consider voting for him,but he backed the President on sending in more troops to that pathetic Iraqi shooting gallery.Can't vote for somebody that dumb,but I hope he does well trying to get the Nomination.

Rudy or Mccain seem to be the most bi-partisan. I mean I think they're both so centralized, that they could get a lot done, and resolve party politics. It's a lot of ambitious thinking I know, but if anyone could do it, it's those 2. So Rudy seems like a great choise. Obama should wait 4 years and try again then.

Oh! 1 big thing about Giuliani- I think he'd try to take the high road, and not bach Bush to terribly about this, but! As far as the Hurrican Katrina debacle goes (and Bush's as well as FEMA's inactivity regarding said disaster), Giuliani has experience responding and handling diasters.

He can say "look at what I did after 9-11. I was active in doing everything I could in to get the problem resolved as quickly as possible". Yes the infrastructure was there in getting help to the WTC quickly. But Giuliani worked endlessly during this disaster. It's an angle that he can use over any other candidate.

Think about this too- If you're a candidate, or a poster on this message bored (not named Cajungator... no... not her lol jk), do you dare say "that's apples and oranges"? Because even if it is, it shows insensitivity to the 9/11 situation as a whole. Political opponents would eat that up and use it again and again against any opponent who would say "that's apples and oranges".

I would go for McCain any day before Giuliani -- he actually knows what's going on in DC and he's been in the trenches long enough to be able to sort out some of the rot -- particularily concerning Iraq procurement -- if he wants to.

You gotta be kid'n me.This utter complete whore tells us that the party isn't that of Bob Jones and other religious extremists(says it's the party of Lincoln.)Then he goes to kiss Falwell's a$$ etc.It is a btch to be a liar,cuz ya gotta keep track of the lies ya told.If ya tell the truth,then ya just gotta remember one thing(the truth.)

hillary=Satan!!
the clintons are out for the clintons, to hell with the rest of us.

Funny I was just watching Fox Cable news and they had a debate on whether Guil's liberal leanings would hurt him get the nomination....If Repubs had a brain they'd realize he had the most crossover appeal with Dems and Independents. DO they want to win, or send up a candidate that will get his head handed to him?

They got this Conservative turd elected.They are gunna want to roll the dice again.What you're asking is do they want the "sure thing" (which I feel Rudy would probably be against Hillary,) or do they want to take their chances with a more Conservative candidate.Well, Idealogues don't think much.They look at somebody's views and compare them to the views of their own ideology,and then they react.It's like math(they add up the points etc.)If you have ever seen this Hannity guy on the Fake News Channel,then you would see the most obvious example(I have ever seen) of an Idealogue.Does Hannity support Rudy?

Guys, this is a really good article from Slate, by a New Yorker about Rudy. I really recommend reading it, as the writer discusses him pretty fairly, including the things he did well. PLEASE read this before casting your hypothetical votes. Plleeeeeeease. Most of you don't know the man other than what you saw after 9/11. And, (thankfully for all of us) most of being President does not involve 9/11s.

Having been through both the Giuliani and the Bloomberg mayorships, I can say unequivocally that Bloomberg is boring, has no star power and a really annoying voice, and is a much, much better mayor than Giuliani. Tough without the bombast, no interest in being the cover story and always willing to own up to his screw-ups (and he's made a few). Giuliani has skin thinner than rice paper and really can get petty- he fired his very effective police commisioner because he was mad that the police commisioner got more press than he did. I'm not kidding.

Anyway, here's the article. Please, non-New Yorkers, please read it. NYC'ers, you already know all this stuff about him, so if you still are planning to vote for him, well hey, at least you're casting an informed vote (assuming he winds up the candidate).

http://www.slate.com/id/2160285/

And not quite as balanced (okay, not balanced at all, but entertaining to read): letter writer to AndrewSullivan's site (from Feb 13):

<<A New Yorker writes:

It's very far out and lots of things can happen, but here are some initial thoughts about Rudy from a longtime New Yorker who witnessed firsthand what he did (and didn't do) for New York.

1. If you thought Bush was bad with cronyism, wait till this one gets in power. Remember the one protege of his he got into a high government office? Bernie Kerick? That's just the tip of the iceberg. Rudy runs a multimillion-dollar consulting firm whose essential mission is to profit off of 9/11. He's got his finger in a lot of military-industrial pies. If he gets in, watch for a DoD and a DoJ stuffed full of lackeys and yes-men.

2. If you think Bush is insular, wait till this one gets in power. When Rudy was mayor of New York, he absolutely refused to allow anyone around him who disagreed with him in the slightest. He publicly humiliated every Board of Ed president who uttered a peep against him. He rammed through three police commissioners before he found one who knew how to say "Yes, Rudy."

3. If you think Bush is a ham-handed diplomat, wait till this one gets in power. This is, after all, a man who led a personal crusade against hot-dog vendors. This is a man who criticized the parents of kids who got killed by cops for letting them out on the street past 10. This is a man who publicly lectured Arafat (which was sort of fun, but he *was* just a Mayor, not Pope Rudolfus IV). So if you've been entertained by Bush's excruciating gaffes internationally, you'll have 4 more years of fun.

and finally...

Do you honestly think that people will elect a man who wants to keep us in Iraq for four more years? Americans might vote for victory but they won't vote to throw money and lives away just so we can save face. Americans know (and you know, and I know) that "victory" just isn't possible in Iraq, just as it wasn't possible in Vietnam.

Oh, and then there's the fact that he's cavalier about torture, married his cousin, announced his divorce at a press conference, looks creepy and has all the personal warmth of Torquemada. >>

Rudy continues to smash the Republican opponents into the ground. His lead over McCain has nearly doubled in the past month. All aboard. He is going to be the next president.

well let a Chicagoan tell you a little about Obama.
His voting record while a State Senator is 'Present'. He either had no opinion or wasn't willing to go on record with it. His good friend Tony Rezco is currently under Federal Indictment. Tony incidently sold Obama the property adjacent to where his house sits right now at a greatly reduced price. Rezco then magicaly had other property rezoned and ercected a sweetheart condo deal. While this was a big story locally it has been swept under the rug nationally.
Meanwhile Hillary has just as much dirt locally. Her major Chicago fundraiser Jim Levin (a former strip-club owner and frequent visitor to the Lincoln bedroom) is awaiting sentencing for illegally billing the Chicago Public schools for plowing never completed. Guess it takes a village and not a plow to shovel snow.

I'll take Rudy and his wives etc over McCain anyday. My fear with McCain is we might get our first illegal alien cabinet member. I remember NYC in the Dinkins era. All dirty with bums in the streets and strip joints everywhere. The city is now beautiful and one of my favorite places in the U.S.

That a boy Dell.

The latest is that fat jerk kid of Rudy's is bashing him in the press...."Daddy didn't love me enough." Well guess what, he was busy taking care of things like 9-11 and finding a few new wives...Keep quiet kid. Go RUDY.