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moses 07-23-2023 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maryhope (Post 1174318)
Anybody know what is Steve's depaula play of day 🤔

I’m not sure but you should play along today with my picks. I feel pretty good about them.

theguarantee 07-23-2023 12:46 PM

Will update records sometime after today's races but both of my picks yesterday were dreadful. Luckily I was also alive to the #11 in the late pick-4 in the last and took some extra 10/1 based on that crazy betting (sorry for the redboard).

Best Value: Race 8 - #2 Sister Annie 20/1 - There's a good bit of speed signed on here but going to take a chance that Kendrick can come through for me again today by getting ultra aggressive and hope the others think it's cheap sprinting speed/let her lope along and she forgets to stop today.

Best Value: Race 10 - #5 Red Butterfly - The debut was pretty solid, second start was strangled back needlessly and bumped hard when presumably about to make her move. Toss the dirt effort plus that preempted a move to the sideline so maybe something went wrong. Going 7F just too demanding off a long layoff. At the right class level, distance and surface today and actually has good gate speed to get early position.

moses 07-23-2023 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174322)
Will update records sometime after today's races but both of my picks yesterday were dreadful. Luckily I was also alive to the #11 in the late pick-4 in the last and took some extra 10/1 based on that crazy betting (sorry for the redboard).

Best Value: Race 8 - #2 Sister Annie 20/1 - There's a good bit of speed signed on here but going to take a chance that Kendrick can come through for me again today by getting ultra aggressive and hope the others think it's cheap sprinting speed/let her lope along and she forgets to stop today.

Best Value: Race 10 - #5 Red Butterfly - The debut was pretty solid, second start was strangled back needlessly and bumped hard when presumably about to make her move. Toss the dirt effort plus that preempted a move to the sideline so maybe something went wrong. Going 7F just too demanding off a long layoff. At the right class level, distance and surface today and actually has good gate speed to get early position.

Good luck. I expect a bomb in race 8. I personally like Linny Kate but Sister Annie is capable. Good luck with her.

jms62 07-23-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174323)
Good luck. I expect a bomb in race 8. I personally like Linny Kate but Sister Annie is capable. Good luck with her.

:D

2,5,7,10 for coverge

moses 07-23-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174321)
I’m not sure but you should play along today with my picks. I feel pretty good about them.

Not a great day but not a bad day either. Fontanafredda spotted them all a couple lengths at the start before running her way back into the race. She looked like a winner in late stretch but was run down to lose by a nose and paying $4.30 for 2nd. Colonial Rose got a great start, settled in, and made her move but just wasn’t good enough today. She paid $11.20 to place.

$72.00 wagered
$107.50 returned

moses 07-23-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1174326)
:D

2,5,7,10 for coverge

Good luck!

moses 07-24-2023 02:06 PM

Wednesday picks.

First bet: Race 4 - #3 Maryquitecontrary, 9/2. People will probably bill this as a duel between Echo Zulu and Frank’s Rockette but Maryquitecontrary is a very nice, developing 4YO that has never finished out of the top 2 in 8 career starts, which include a win in the G2 Inside Information Stakes and place behind Goodnight Olive in the G1 Madison. She’s a serious racehorse and I believe will benefit from the fact that Frank’s Rockette will need to challenge Echo Zulu early in order to prevent her from wiring the field. I love that Shug keeps Luca Panici on as he has guided her to all 6 of her wins. The works on the two favorites are a bit uninspiring so why not take a shot with this improving 4YO?

Second bet: Race 7 - #8 Arrest Me Red, 5/2. I really want to give Coppola another shot but no published works since June and he came up flat in the last two races against top competition. Going to have to wait and see with him. Arrest Me Red is the best turf sprinter in here and should handle this group.

moses 07-26-2023 09:31 AM

Thursday picks.

First bet: Race 10 - #9 Charging, 4/1. Brad Cox was quick to scratch Charging from his most recent scheduled start when the turf came up wet for the Quick Call. This is a bit of an easier spot and I think Brad will have this one geared up. I’d be happy to get the 4/1 ML.

Second bet: Race 5 - #7 Miss Carol Ann, 6/1. I suspect the Brown horses will take a lot of money. I don’t know how good that horse is that Beaute Cachee beat last time out and I prefer Pleasant Passage to Veronica Greene of the horses coming out of that June 18 race at Belmont. I want to go a little outside the box here and landed on Miss Carol Ann. She is a nice big horse who I don’t think was suited for the 7 furlong distance. She looked great once she got into her stride back in September in the Pebbles. 3 horses in here add blinkers so I am looking for her to get a rail trip throughout then explode once she hits the stretch.

theguarantee 07-26-2023 01:34 PM

Wagered: $72.00
Returned: $79.60

Race 5: #12 Relate - 6/1 - Tough post but like this one second off the layoff finding the right level today.

Race 10: #10 Sharp Play Boy 15/1 - This is a pretty hungry field so went searching for a price. I like to ignore GP races when coming back to NY and this one lost all chance at the start/got no trip at all in the last. Switching to Handal and a bit of a flyer but expect a big improvement today regardless.

moses 07-26-2023 01:57 PM

Maryquitecontrary never had a shot. Echo Zulu was very impressive.

moses 07-26-2023 03:48 PM

Arrest Me Red got pretty ideal trip. Maybe a bit wide. Edged out by the 2 horse. Barely held on for 2nd. Paid $3.50 to place.

$80.00 wagered
$111.00 returned

Dahoss 07-26-2023 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174369)
Wagered: $72.00
Returned: $79.60

Race 5: #12 Relate - 6/1 - Tough post but like this one second off the layoff finding the right level today.

Race 10: #10 Sharp Play Boy 15/1 - This is a pretty hungry field so went searching for a price. I like to ignore GP races when coming back to NY and this one lost all chance at the start/got no trip at all in the last. Switching to Handal and a bit of a flyer but expect a big improvement today regardless.

Great call!

moses 07-26-2023 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1174375)
Great call!

Yes! Nice one there!

theguarantee 07-27-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174374)
Arrest Me Red got pretty ideal trip. Maybe a bit wide. Edged out by the 2 horse. Barely held on for 2nd. Paid $3.50 to place.

$80.00 wagered
$111.00 returned

Got here in pretty different ways but almost even after 10 days:

Wagered: $80.00
Returned: $110.10

^Thanks guys, Luis gave Relate a great ride getting aggressive from the outside post and looked a winner every step. Sharp Play Boy failed to improve and was a bad pick. Tricky card today.

moses 07-27-2023 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174395)
Got here in pretty different ways but almost even after 10 days:

Wagered: $80.00
Returned: $110.10

^Thanks guys, Luis gave Relate a great ride getting aggressive from the outside post and looked a winner every step. Sharp Play Boy failed to improve and was a bad pick. Tricky card today.

Pretty funny that we are at basically the same amount returned. I clearly need to find another 2YO that hits at 20/1.

theguarantee 07-27-2023 11:30 AM

Best Bet: Race 7 - #5 Eyes on Target 7/2 - The chaotic nature of this field is the only reason I'm willing to go ahead and bet on Irad/Maker/Dubb...I tried to make a case for Tartini cutting back but ultimately don't think he's good enough. Similar for the rest of the field and I circled back to thinking not only is Eyes on Target a likely winner, but I think he'll actually be a slight overlay in this field.

Best Value: Race 9 - #4 Pioneering Spirit 4/1 - Simply couldn't come up with anything too clever on the card today and this is another where I think the bulky field will lead to an overlay...I love the progress this one has made of late, ability to settle, he's athletic enough to work out a nice trip and love the way he kicked home last out.

moses 07-27-2023 02:33 PM

Unexpectedly, Miss Carol Ann set the pace but could not hold on, finishing 4th. These turf routes can be hard to predict the pace on.

Dahoss 07-27-2023 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174404)
Unexpectedly, Miss Carol Ann set the pace but could not hold on, finishing 4th. These turf routes can be hard to predict the pace on.

Yeah I’m so confused as to how your horse was in front and mine was dead last. Makes no sense really

moses 07-27-2023 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1174405)
Yeah I’m so confused as to how your horse was in front and mine was dead last. Makes no sense really

Nope. No sense at all.

moses 07-27-2023 03:04 PM

Going to take a few big swings the next couple days.

Friday picks.

First bet: Race 1 - #9 Love That Bird, 20/1.
Second bet: Race 6 - #7 Asthros, 10/1.

Saturday picks.

First bet: Race 8 - #6 Dean Delivers, 8/1.
Second bet: Race 10 - #3 Hit Show, 6/1.

jms62 07-27-2023 03:46 PM

Irad is going to hurt someone

theguarantee 07-27-2023 03:58 PM

I’m biased so I guess I’ll defer to others and I do agree with the sentiment but this feels like about a 3 on the 1-10 scale of what Irad can usually get away with. Obviously would’ve never bet him at 7/5 and didn’t think even with the Irad factor that was possible in here. They really need to figure out how to be even mildly consistent with these calls.

jms62 07-27-2023 04:17 PM

The "it didn't cost a placing" rule/argument really needs to end. If the ride was reckless and put another rider in risk of injury then it should be a DQ no matter where the horse finishes.

theguarantee 07-28-2023 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174399)
Best Bet: Race 7 - #5 Eyes on Target 7/2 - The chaotic nature of this field is the only reason I'm willing to go ahead and bet on Irad/Maker/Dubb...I tried to make a case for Tartini cutting back but ultimately don't think he's good enough. Similar for the rest of the field and I circled back to thinking not only is Eyes on Target a likely winner, but I think he'll actually be a slight overlay in this field.

Best Value: Race 9 - #4 Pioneering Spirit 4/1 - Simply couldn't come up with anything too clever on the card today and this is another where I think the bulky field will lead to an overlay...I love the progress this one has made of late, ability to settle, he's athletic enough to work out a nice trip and love the way he kicked home last out.

Eyes on Target was tons the best but DQ'd only cost me a couple grand in multis...Pioneering Spirit was also tons the best...both horses were bet off the board though.

Wagered: $88.00
Returned: $120.90

Interesting card today but looks pretty tough.

moses 07-28-2023 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174419)
Eyes on Target was tons the best but DQ'd only cost me a couple grand in multis...Pioneering Spirit was also tons the best...both horses were bet off the board though.

Wagered: $88.00
Returned: $120.90

Interesting card today but looks pretty tough.

Nice call on Pioneering Spirit. I think with more eyes on horse racing, they almost had to DQ Irad that race. It was a dangerous move and could have led to a catastrophic injury to horse or rider. That horse was definitely best though.

You now take the lead with Pioneering Spirit. I’m stuck at:

$88.00 wagered
$111.00 returned

theguarantee 07-28-2023 11:48 AM

Best Bet: Race 9 - #8 Harry Hood 3/1 - Not going to extract any type of great value with this pick but I struggled a bit with today's card and if we get the 3/1 on this guy who has had a series of tough trips in his brief career. I thought the last was pretty good and I like that Chad immediately gets aggressive and spots this one at the right class level.

Best Value: Race 7 - #4 Little Maddy Brown 30/1 - Going off the reservation with this one. Has a right to like the turf and is a hard knocking type, likely too cheap but I wasn't particularly scared of anyone in here. The only previous turf race he had absolutely no chance in a decent field at Saratoga last year going a route. Showed speed and faded badly in the stretch. Again, he's probably badly outclassed today but this is a much more reasonable spot for him.

moses 07-28-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174407)
Going to take a few big swings the next couple days.

Friday picks.

First bet: Race 1 - #9 Love That Bird, 20/1.
Second bet: Race 6 - #7 Asthros, 10/1.

Saturday picks.

First bet: Race 8 - #6 Dean Delivers, 8/1.
Second bet: Race 10 - #3 Hit Show, 6/1.

Wrong Ferraro horse race 1. Ugh.

I had a feeling he brought a good horse to Saratoga. Can’t believe I landed on the wrong one. This game is so damn frustrating.

jms62 07-28-2023 03:09 PM

Don't know what Gaffalione is claiming foul for. He hit with his right hand and lugged way in. The 10 should've claimed foul on him.

moses 07-28-2023 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174407)
Going to take a few big swings the next couple days.

Friday picks.

First bet: Race 1 - #9 Love That Bird, 20/1.
Second bet: Race 6 - #7 Asthros, 10/1.

Saturday picks.

First bet: Race 8 - #6 Dean Delivers, 8/1.
Second bet: Race 10 - #3 Hit Show, 6/1.

Well, I went with the wrong Ferraro as Love That Bird finished last (I think) but his stable mate gutted out a victory at 13/1. A tough miss for me as I liked both based on their workouts. But enough red boarding. I didn’t get to see the 6th race but it doesn’t look like Asthros did much.

$96.00 wagered
$111.00 returned

Clearly I wasn’t thinking clearly when I made the above picks so I’m going to mix it up a little (as much as I like Dean Delivers, I don’t really want to bet against Elite Power or Gunite.)

First bet: Race 3 - #6 Carpe’s Dream, 8/1. I’m not way against the likely favorite #2 Luna Warrior but he’s coming off his first win in 7 starts from the maiden claiming ranks. With Irad aboard, I suspect the #11 will draw a significant amount of interest as well. I don’t love either of those two horses so I started looking elsewhere. Carpe’s Dream will see a significant drop in class as he’s raced only allowance or stakes races since breaking his maiden back in December of 2021. He also gets a jockey upgrade with Lezcano. In my opinion, he needed class relief and is getting it. He’s got a major shot in this one.

Second bet: Race 10 - #3 Hit Show, 6/1. I keep going back to that Derby performance and I was really impressed with it. Saudi Crown is going to jump out to the front and Forte, with the addition of blinkers, may challenge him sooner than otherwise. Hit Show should get a perfect stalking spot behind those two and will get first run at them. Saez now aboard and have to imagine that’s an upgrade over Franco. Forte, Saudi Crown, and Angel of Empire will all take a lot of money so I’m thinking he gets overlooked and will be a nice price.

theguarantee 07-29-2023 01:45 PM

Best Bet: Race 7 #6 Drum Roll Please
Best Value: Race 10 #1 Disarm

moses 07-29-2023 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174435)
Well, I went with the wrong Ferraro as Love That Bird finished last (I think) but his stable mate gutted out a victory at 13/1. A tough miss for me as I liked both based on their workouts. But enough red boarding. I didn’t get to see the 6th race but it doesn’t look like Asthros did much.

$96.00 wagered
$111.00 returned

Clearly I wasn’t thinking clearly when I made the above picks so I’m going to mix it up a little (as much as I like Dean Delivers, I don’t really want to bet against Elite Power or Gunite.)

First bet: Race 3 - #6 Carpe’s Dream, 8/1. I’m not way against the likely favorite #2 Luna Warrior but he’s coming off his first win in 7 starts from the maiden claiming ranks. With Irad aboard, I suspect the #11 will draw a significant amount of interest as well. I don’t love either of those two horses so I started looking elsewhere. Carpe’s Dream will see a significant drop in class as he’s raced only allowance or stakes races since breaking his maiden back in December of 2021. He also gets a jockey upgrade with Lezcano. In my opinion, he needed class relief and is getting it. He’s got a major shot in this one.

Second bet: Race 10 - #3 Hit Show, 6/1. I keep going back to that Derby performance and I was really impressed with it. Saudi Crown is going to jump out to the front and Forte, with the addition of blinkers, may challenge him sooner than otherwise. Hit Show should get a perfect stalking spot behind those two and will get first run at them. Saez now aboard and have to imagine that’s an upgrade over Franco. Forte, Saudi Crown, and Angel of Empire will all take a lot of money so I’m thinking he gets overlooked and will be a nice price.

Carpe’s Dream got boxed in a bit but had no explosiveness when they hit the stretch. Not sure where he finished but somewhere in the 4-7 range. Hit Show didn’t show up. Going into tomorrow with the risk of going into the red.

$104.00 wagered
$111.00 returned

theguarantee 07-29-2023 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174409)
They really need to figure out how to be even mildly consistent with these calls.

Revisit

Dahoss 07-29-2023 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174476)
Revisit

I don’t think there should have been a DQ there but obviously Irad has learned nothing from his DQ the other day. You’re not entitled to the spot you want if someone is there. He thinks he is.

I don’t even know what you can do to punish him because he doesn’t care.

theguarantee 07-29-2023 05:27 PM

I can understand your opinion dahoss, just like I could understand what jms the other day…It’s just the lack of any type of consistency to me in the rulings…doesn’t help that I used 1,4 in that race, ripped them all up and had the 1 in all multis that leg…but my sentiments were made well before that race happened…just another kick in the balls

Dahoss 07-29-2023 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174480)
I can understand your opinion dahoss, just like I could understand what jms the other day…It’s just the lack of any type of consistency to me in the rulings…doesn’t help that I used 1,4 in that race, ripped them all up and had the 1 in all multis that leg…but my sentiments were made well before that race happened…just another kick in the balls

It's frustrating I get it. The other day, he obviously cost the horse a placing. I don't think that happened today and that's how I look at it, which could very well be wrong.

jms62 07-30-2023 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1174482)
It's frustrating I get it. The other day, he obviously cost the horse a placing. I don't think that happened today and that's how I look at it, which could very well be wrong.

The "Cost the horse a placing" is so open to interpretation. I feel the standard should be did he put another horse/rider in danger.

moses 07-30-2023 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174475)
Carpe’s Dream got boxed in a bit but had no explosiveness when they hit the stretch. Not sure where he finished but somewhere in the 4-7 range. Hit Show didn’t show up. Going into tomorrow with the risk of going into the red.

$104.00 wagered
$111.00 returned

I didn’t get a chance to look too closely at this card. But here are two horses I like:

Race 1 - #2 Golden Ghost, 6/1. I want to take a shot here with a horse that debuted in a stakes sprint race on dirt but clearly has pedigree for turf, particularly turf routes. She took money on debut and my guess is Casse thinks she’s got some talent but needs to figure out where she fits. Expecting that she’ll be above 6/1.

Race 3 - #8 Sedona Red, 8/1. With fairly obscure connections going up against the likes of Chad Brown and Todd Pletcher, expect this one to be a big price. But his most recent dirt performance should win this if he can translate it to turf. He’s one of the few 4 year olds in this race and I always give them extra long looks going against 3 year olds in turf routes. The dam has produced two turf winners. They started him out on turf and now send him back to the grass. He’s got a shot…and I suspect will be over the 8/1 morning line price.

Dahoss 07-30-2023 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1174485)
The "Cost the horse a placing" is so open to interpretation. I feel the standard should be did he put another horse/rider in danger.

Isn’t that open to interpretation?

jms62 07-30-2023 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1174488)
Isn’t that open to interpretation?

Well it is better than we are now which seems that both conditions need to be true. :D

moses 07-30-2023 11:13 AM

I’m tired of Irad’s antics but I can’t really have sympathy for the two other horses involved here, who appeared to be working together to prevent Forte from getting into open space. At what point in time did we become OK with horses from the same trainer teaming up to impede another horse?

I’ve seen a lot of people saying that’s just race riding. I don’t agree. It’s collusion and what bettor wants to see that? It’s different when we’re talking about running a rabbit to set up a closer, imo. I’ve never liked when Baffert did this with his horses and don’t think we should reward this ‘strategy’ by DQing a clearly better horse unless the foul is extraordinarily egregious.


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