"E-street" will be hoppin!:D

What was his "ignorant reason?"

Young and old- a friend of mine went to Belmont with me for the first time last year, and bought a ticket for this year's a week ago, to make sure she could get in, regardless of whether there is a Triple Crown or not. She also bought one for her 70-year-old mother, who is coming from Pennsylvania, purely because hearing my friend talk about how much fun last year was made her want to go, too.

Something to the effect (don't remember the exact words) of Lukas admitting and saying that Mr. Z has little chance running with these horses but he may be able to compromise one of them. He may be getting senile?

Because you should keep horses in barn or in hyperbaric chambers until they are busting out of their skin and only run them when the stars are aligned perfectly.

In case you forgot Travis DWL is an all time great trainer that was just lucky his whole career and really doesnt know horses well...LOL the insanity never stops

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... and that pretty much sums it up. Well said.

Sure, one of the greatest all time but it doesn't stop him from being ignorant now and then does it? I'm sure many trainers think the same thing at times but they're smart enough not to say it out loud publicly. We'll, some of them say stupid things often.

Jesus thanks you too!:rolleyes:

Sorry, I don't get it.

So on AP's lack of speed, I went back and found this, interesting . . .

Private clocker and bloodstock agent Gary Young told Churchill Downs' communications department he's been in those businesses 35 years, "and (American Pharoah) might be the best horse I've ever seen. He's simply like Michael Jordan and stays in the air like he did in his rookie year. He stays in the air longer than any horse and you get the feeling that there's not one gear left, but he may have two, three or four gears."

Could be he just uses enough of that "speed" to win, ya think maybe? :eek::D That said, he may need overdrive to win on June 6 . . . let's hope he has that gear left.

Sorry, I just don't think the connections deserve it. I like to root for the type of trainers like Michael Matz, Bill Mott, Art Sherman, Richard Mandella, John Servis' of the industry.

I don't hate the horse, just don't want to see him be the next TC winner. I'd rather another year or 10 go by without one than see them win it.

It's not that he's senile.

He's an egotistical ******* that puts his pride first, before the horse.

I hope Zayats never send him another horse.

Lukas is very shortsighted and plays the short game over the long game.

:rolleyes:

Doesn't sound like the definition of "Greatness" to me. Maybe he is just lucky or it's all about the assistants who have gone on to be "pretty good" ;) trainers themselves.

Every spring the same story plays out...

One group always wants the other group to crown [insert horse here] as a superstar while the other group wants the other group to not crown [insert horse here] as the superstar yet. A third group wants themselves to be crowned because they spotted [insert horse here] before anyone else did as the next superstar.

But ultimately the economic engine in this sport - gambling - is best served by creating logical and thorough discussions about what produces the results in horse racing. Unfortunately, the groups above struggle to do this without insulting others or assuming the other group does not ultimately want the same thing.

Doesn't surprise me.

It's not like he has too much longer to go.

Smartest thing I've read in a while.

Clearly you read wayyyy too much of your own material.

Personally I have never been this lost regarding a horse. My heart wants him to win the Belmont. My head tells me he is dressed up. I have read some smart people say that the slop makes it hard to take anything definitive away from the Preakness. The one thing I am sure of is that AP loves the slop. His romp in Arkansas and now yesterday confirms that. So the slop helped him. He ran hard early to make the lead, and came home slow. This is understandable. Again he was never really asked to run, he just glided around the track. Some people say the fresh shooters are more dangerous, well did yesterday take anything out of AP? I'm not sure it did. I don't know what to make of this horse. I said it on here after the Derby I think he romps in the Preakness and gets beat in the Belmont. I'm not sure about that anymore. I think turning for home he is clear, who is running him down? 20 days and we find out.

Who's tot say Verve isn't a quality horse.... His connections and breeding, not to mention looks are all TOP SHELF... don't dismiss late bloomers

I also think he's one of the hardest horses to gauge I've ever seen.

visually impressive, I am just waiting for the speed figure to come out. But all the haters I have read have all been East Coast experts mainly from NY

102 beyer I believe.

He is a plodder who isn't very good. I don't think that takes away from AP. They flew the first quarter and literally no one else ran. He probably liked the slop just like AP. I highly doubt he ever wins a stakes. He was all out at 3-5 to beat an Eoin Harty horse at Keeneland in a MSW the race before.

Can you show me an example of a "hater" and what they said regarding American Pharoah?

I guess hater is a strong word, pessimistic is more like it.

I read and saw things like

slowest preakness, bad field, Tale of Verve 2nd speaks to the quality of field, blah blah blah. Beyer speed fig will be below 100, if they do come up with a figure it will be a guess

Did you just call Dallas Stewart a top shelf trainer?

I'd imagine all that you're reading is from people who know the odds of him winning the tc are long. Time after time something happens to prevent it. No one knows what it'll be, but they probably figure they have to say something handicapping related....because any one can say 'who knows?'

Regarding tale of verve...he might be a late bloomer, a one hit wonder, or a horse who liked the slop.

What's wrong with Dallas Stewart..Fipke? Tapit? i can think of worse

Or a horse that came from far back in a fast paced race.

I like your AVATAR but your FLW quote, excuse me, sucks. Nothing against you but Frank was a midget with an ego 10 times his size to make up for it. He designed and built buildings, homes the way he wanted not the way the client wanted. And if they didn't like it he said lump it and took his drafting pencils home. As a very experienced Architect myself, it just irks me when I see FLW quotes. The world, unknowingly I hope, has made way too much of him. I can name at least 10 architects more important than he is. He would have liked to have been the "second coming" and well . . . I could go on about his little self but this is not the forum for it . . . sorry. Nothing against you at all . . . just Frank.

I like the quote itself. Who said it means nothing to me. Sorry you don't care for it.

Well, that too.

If it means something to you excellent!!! My only beef is with the overly popularized Frank Lloyd Wright, a creative visionary but an average Architect at best. Nuff said back to horse racing.:)

TMI Ralph.

:D

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Well, this thread was a fun read.

Yes, AP's time was slow, hardly a surprise considering the track condition. Hustled to the lead, his opening half was fast enough, and then he relaxed. He did exactly what VE asked him to do. The horse eventually separated himself from the field, and Victor barely even showed him the whip in the stretch, so the time means next to nothing to me.

I know "the odds" are against him winning the Belmont, but I'm liking his chances, even against Frosted and the Pletcher trio. This horse shows heart.

But what do I know. I even like FLW.

Somewhere between Go For Gin and Smarty Jones.